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Old 08-06-2016, 12:44 PM   #46
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@jamison20000e , @Timothy Miller

Can you guys like recommend somethings that will show the differences like Timothy said, to variate the init.d file. How else guys ??
 
Old 08-06-2016, 12:56 PM   #47
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Old 08-06-2016, 01:09 PM   #48
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Because Antergos is just an installer for Arch to make it faster to install. Arch itself defaults to systemd, so therefore so does Antergos
you can use always https://sourceforge.net/projects/arc...s/arch-openrc/ ; https://www.parabola.nu/ [ also offers openrc as an alternative init ] ; https://www.obarun.org/ ; http://dragora.org/repo.fsl/doc/trunk/www/index.md ...

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Old 08-06-2016, 01:27 PM   #49
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Arch defaults to SystemD, so that's what I use. I have to use SystemD at work, so there's no reason for me to avoid it out of work. Plus, none of those init processes are used as default in any major distro that I've heard of, so unless I want to use them just to use something different, I see no reason to touch anything other than SystemD or SysV init. Init's not the most important thing to me, as long as it works I'm happy, so I'm not going to use something different just for the simple reason of using something different. As I've said before, while I might have some objections to how SystemD works, it DOES work, so I'm happy to learn it and just wish they'd use a non-binary journal (which is my only real objection, I really could care less about the Unix philosophy).

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Good idea but I don't see how Debian compared to Slackware will work to compare?

A basic Debian install vers a Debian derivative (eg Devuan) without systemD or even better, instal Debian twice and remove it from one (eg http://without-systemd.org/wiki/inde...d_installation)

I don't think you can compare with or without systemD in Slackware? Maybe close: https://github.com/Dlackware/systemd

NOT that you should not learn to love Slackware, you will!
While they might be different, he's looking to understand the differences in init. If you ignore Debians package manager, it's not drastically different in design from Slackware, so it does show a good contrast between init styles, doubly if you run a minimal install just to play with the inits and disregard the different styles of package management.

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@jamison20000e , @Timothy Miller

Can you guys like recommend somethings that will show the differences like Timothy said, to variate the init.d file. How else guys ??
I will stand by my recommendation that actually USING both init systems will teach you the differences more than anything else ever could.

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Old 08-06-2016, 02:05 PM   #50
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Me: It's a public forum, much more sophisticated and technical than Facebook or any other blog, but still a public forum, how bad can others take it !!! granted.


So here goes nothing!

It has been six to seven years I started using Linux distros. Anyone care to guess what I started with ?? And you are absolutely right, the cliche of cliches, Ubuntu. All I use to do then was basic C programming and playing music, movies, downloading torrents and that was it. One fine day browsing the Ubuntu forums I saw a post which was about Mint, what was it I asked myself. All hail Google! And there it was. Till date, Cinnamon or Mate, my any-time system-saver/ love of my Linux life (Personal opinion, no fights please) . And thus I was introduced to oh my God, oh so many flavours. First it was just ogling at the eye candy of Gnome3, respecting the soberness of Cinnamon/Mate, trying out a thousand a one customizations of KDE and what and what not. From learning to drink milk to tasting various cakes and other spicy foods, now the kid, learns that they are nothing but various spices and flavours that bring the taste and not the actual food itself a.k.a Desktop Environments.

I have tried multiple things in a Linux environment, mainly related to programs and external applications. Nothing related to the internals as such, and thus I do not know about the systemd or init except just a overview of what the're literally defined as, and majority of the things I've heard of. I've ran into many, many problems for a distro, most of them I figured out a solution , some I didn't; for example losing a Windows partition completely from a bootloader, or improperly deleting a Linux partition and getting stuck at 'grub rescue'. And something no matter how many tutorials I watch/read never been able to do is installing Oracle SQL in a Debian based distro, aaaahhhh those errors !!!! I have had a few questions posted here at LQ, have got a bunch of replies too. But this thread of mine I love the most. The first thread I actually found people being humourous. This thread should be marked solved, hypothetically it is solved as the solution I got from all of you is that trying a few distros with the minimal set of programs. I mostly got referred to Debian, and check myself what gives the best performance. I guess when you have a plethora of choices ( Ahem! Ahem! Ahem! https://distrowatch.com/search.php?o...&status=Active ), you can get recommendations yes, but the final verdict completely depends on your taste. But I seriously don't wanna close this thread, you know, I like to see people talking, seeing an unsolved thread more people may visit and comment and chat. Thank you guys.

@Timothy Miller , huge respect to your qualifications man. I also aspire to be a Red Hat Certified Engineer someday. I'll start preparing as soon as I graduate next year from college.

@All LQ users, thank you for being here and all of you people who solve problems for people like us, clear our doubts, give us recommendations, troll us(Ahem! Ahem!) thanks a lot.

@Anyone who sees this post, please take a minute or two from your time and share with us how you feel about using Linux, breaking it, repairing it, excited to try a new version of a package and getting disappointed encountering a bug, or maybe a comment on LQ in general. Do share.

Thank you.

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Old 08-08-2016, 11:18 PM   #51
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Sid has more available and potentially working as it's cutting edge... i.e: "unstable" https://www.debian.org/releases/sid/ &c...

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Sid: eg &sea\see\c, "amazon prime" video would not play for me today? So, switched to chrome "unstable" and videos played fine.

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