What to do After RHCE?
 

HI frds,

I have finished the RHCE certification,I m confused of going forward wat to do next .kindly suggest me wat can do next means like go for storage or virtualization or anything else .kindly linux experts help me.....

Congrats on your RHCE!

You can take a look here as the Red Hat certifications are listed hierarchically (with the certs requiring fewer prerequisites near the top). http://www.redhat.com/training/certifications/#tab2


Hope that helps...

Hi

Thanks for reply ,I planning do to certification on some current technology like stroage or virtualizaton kindly suggest me as a linux admin which i can choose to my career.

You shouldn't base your career path on certifications, you should base your certifications on your career path.

You need to decide what it is you really like/love to do and focus on that. Once you know what you want to do you can follow a certification path to accomplish that goal.

Congrats senthil4984
Could you share some experience to clear RHCE ? what is your time management in the real test ?

Hi drunna ,thanks for reply ok i ll go as you told
@willam;

As the fresher RHCE exam is somewat difficult ,but if you practice well you can score 600/600.I used to practice dumps atleast 2 times a day.And the important thing is in the exam we need recheck all questions atleast 2 times.many will mistakes in chkconfig and service restart we should not forget these two steps.practice the dumps surely u can clear the exam.

Thanks senthil,
Could you pm me your skype id or email ? Then I really want to ask u some specific if possible. Actually i cannot send a message in this forum yet.

This is one reason I do NOT give 'certifications' much weight at all. "Practice dumps 2 times a day", then you can 'clear' the exam?? No...a certification isn't about a passing grade, or taking practice tests until you pass. It's about proving you have actual KNOWLEDGE, and know how to think about a problem.

Be warned that if you depended on 'practice dumps' to pass a test, it will be VERY obvious to those you work with if you have the knowledge or not, VERY quickly. And if you're ever interviewed by someone like me, be ready to be placed in a lab, alone, with no phone/internet access, and given a list of tasks to complete that someone who is 'certified' should be able to do.

Ha ha it is NOT REAL TB0ne. If you are not believe you can try it "practice dumps 2 times a day" I think we will fail forever ..for the test..And by the way cert always is the first step. As a child before running they should take a small walk. Otherwise NO SHORTCUT ...
Thanks,

Oh? Then why did senthil4984 say that's what they did in post #6? Why is it that MANY others have repeated such 'advice'?
A 'cert' is NOT the first step. The first step is actually GETTING THE KNOWLEDGE....a certification is only proof that you know it. Taking certification tests from dumps, or just to take them for 'first step', is pointless. I have seen many, MANY people with 'certifications', who have NO IDEA what they're doing.

I am studying for the RHCE test but it is not easy as people said . at least for me.. If not they are so lucky to get it through "DUMPS" In addition you passed it with 210 score is pass if you passed it with 300 still pass :D NO DIFFERENCE you no what i am saying. In our life lucky is so important some times ;)
Second people have cert at least is better than people don't know cert exist in that field for our life. For the next step this is for their job or job interview or smt like that we will know who they are. I want to emphasize that cert is first step because at least it equip for you basic knowledge about this field nothing more and less. After cert is different story. Everything need time and practice otherwise you will loose it asap you got it.

@kratos.william: I fully agree with TB0ne on this.

A certificate is about showing what experience and expertise one has learned over time and in the field. This is (repeatable) knowledge you get over time.

Like TB0ne I've come across to many people that have a RHCSA and/or RHCE certificate but have very limited knowledge. They all got those certificates by cramming for the test over a short period of time. And although they knew how to solve the problems presented to them at the time of the exam, most of them forgot most they learned. In my opinion they shouldn't have these certificates.

Don't get me wrong, it is very wise to go through all the material required even if you have years of experience. There are always gaps and things to learn.

Exactly the point: you can do practice dumps and pass, and be 'certified'...and not know ANYTHING you really need to know. Making the certification meaninless.
No..getting a certification is NOT the first step. If you want to learn, you LEARN: load Linux on a system, learn how to do the different things you need to do. Ask questions, learn how to troubleshoot. THAT is the first step.

A certification doesn't give you 'basic knowledge'...it is TESTING YOU ON THE KNOWLEDGE YOU HAVE. That is like saying "First you get a diploma from school, because it's better...then you can go and get the knowledge". It doesn't work that way. People who have 'certifications' like that are very easy to spot, and do NOT last long.

There are so many way to get your knowledge but for me it is very useful way is to studying for cert. I read a books do a lot of hand on labs and discuss a lot about topic in the cert book. Another thing is you will not gonna do something if you don't have real motivation. Studying good doing good job and get cert for us it is a interesting experiences right ? you get something new to know and get smthing extra to get a job ;) not bad
Another thing i want to say cert is for first step because there are so many certs ? for example cisco : ccna is nothing compare with CCIE lab. I mean that knowledge is so much to learn then certs in general mean nothing if you don't use it for useful thing. But you cannot show up your ability to recruiter by only said that i am expert if you don't have any experiences ha ha. Will they hire you ? What is the first thing to build up your career if you are fresher ? new graduate ? For me cert is really good way to get a new thing ;)

Right...which is why you demonstrate knowledge to the recruiter and to the company interviewing you, DURING THE INTERVIEW. You KNOW answers..things that aren't on a test. That's how. You are not showing your ability by saying "See, I have a certification!"...you're just saying you have one.

And if you think a 'certification' that has no real depth behind it is going to get you ANY FURTHER than anyone else, you're sadly mistaken. Getting your first job is always hard, whether you have a list of diplomas as long as your arm or not. You will struggle to get in the door, and will get a low-paying job...just like EVERYONE ELSE does. What you do from there is work hard, learn, and move up.

If you take the driving test for driver license did they ask you drive as F1 racer ? If people pass the driving test does DPS guarantees that you will not make an accident ? But every people has driver license :D Every test is very limited and standard. For me cert is only show up that you are know or at least familiar with specific field. People is not/should not estimated by certs.

I guest you know how hard it is for over through pre -pre-pre screening application without refers, experiences, certs to just come to approve your self with company. I am the right person you should hire.
As you said "What you do from there is work hard, learn, and move up" i understand that cert is first step :D

Yes, I do know...went through it myself, as did everyone else I know. Welcome to the real world.
Then you're not understanding what's getting told to you, and at this point, I doubt you ever will. If you do manage to get a 'certification', and get a job, you will very quickly LOSE THAT JOB, because your 'certification' won't have the knowledge and skills behind it to let you actually DO the job you were hired for. What, exactly, do you think is going to happen when you get a job? They're just going to have you do things that were only on the test?? Do you think they're going to let you go Google for something, or wait for someone in a forum to answer your question?? They want problems fixed and work done, period. If

If you think that you can escape that...you're wrong. Once you lose a job like that, it will FOLLOW YOU for years...every reference will be checked, and it WILL come up. People talk, and HR departments keep documentation.

Hi there,

I was wondering what would be a realistic timeframe to learn and pass the RHCSA (and eventually RHCE) for an experienced Windows / VMware admin? I wouldn't say that I'm a total n00b in the *nix world, but most of my Linux and FreeBSD experience dates back to 2000 - 2003 and I've been mostly Windows guy since then, but now I'd like to get back on track :) I expect to be able to actively study for about 2 hours a day on weekdays and up to 8 hours on the weekend, so that would be about 20 to 30 hours of study time a week.

Thanks in advance for your replies and suggestions :)

Honestly, I don't think anyone can answer that question but you. We don't know how quickly you learn, what kind of distractions you'll have, your depth of experience, etc. Too many variables.

Do NOT just take 'practice dumps', and read books on certifications, please. The best way to really learn would be to load Linux, and start using it. Configure the various services, read the how-to's on them, and learn how to troubleshoot problems. Focusing on being 'certified' is a bad thing, without the knowledge to back it up. I'm sure you've seen several 'certified' Windows admins who had trouble with basic problems...

Dunno... around here, the "red pickup trucks" all drive like that. :D

The short answer to the OP's question is: "Now try to get a job to help pay back all the money you spent on those examinations!" :rolleyes:

And if you think that this is going to happen ... please reconsider.

Well, I'm definitely not looking to take any shortcuts nor 'practice dumps' as it would be a total waste of time and money, I mean, what's the point to get a piece of paper if you can't handle the job, right?
So far I've bought the "Linux Bible" by Chris Negus and Michael Jang's RHCE study guide and additional guide with practice exams and set up a couple of Centos 6 vm's on my home lab although I use esxi and I realize that I'd need to get familiar with KVM for the exam.
The main problem thus far is that I don't know what to set up besides the obvious stuff like an apache web server? At work we use a couple of RHEL 4 servers running the LOB application, but that's it, all the other stuff is Windows, so, should I try to mimic a Windows based network with Samba and something like Postfix in leu of Exchange? I can see the Nagios installation as another project to imitate the SCOM, what else could I try to gain more experience and understanding?

Thanks!

Exactly what I've been trying to get across to kratos.william, but with no success.
Yes, setting up postfix would be a great exercise, especially if you also set up DNS, and touch on the selinux/firewall settings as well. Web services are good, as well. But also look at how to set up/modify network routes and adapters, DHCP services, and where to look for log files (and setting up syslog services wouldn't hurt either). Often, just knowing how to walk the problem chain is a great first step. Jang's study guide is an excellent book to go through.

Don't forget to practice the tests/quiz after each chapter and also the instructor RH300 book(even it is old 2007) with very detail comments are good resource. We should know behind the scene it is very important to do whatever you want.
Build the system with the service and break it :D Actually i did break it all the time

I've seen plenty of sys admins use google in the real world. Nobody is going to expect you to remember everything. You just have to be able to perform the tasks expected of you in a timely manner but chances are you haven't seen every technical issue that there is to see in the world.

I guess that he meant that you need to know your stuff, like if you're an MCSE then you should be able to list and explain the FSMO roles or how the time in the domain is synchronized or explain how the DNS resolution works without googling it first otherwise your cert is just a worthless piece of paper. Nothing wrong with googling when troubleshooting a problem I would think.

All a drivers license means is that you were able to pass a test. Just like a certification. It doesn't even mean you can drive. Some testers are more strict than others and there are people who manage to get their license who I wouldn't feel comfortable on the road with just like I wouldn't feel comfortable working with you if you brain dumped a cert, because just like that bad driver will probably cause accidents, you're going to bring down a critical server because you don't really know what you're doing. We just fired a guy not too long ago for bringing down a brighthouse server among other screw ups. That's what's going to happen to you if you think you can dump your way through an exam to get a job.

Lets say you wanted to get a job as a chauffeur or a taxi driver in the U.S. They don't care if you have a license. They want to know your driving history/experience. They want to know how old you are, how long you've had your license and how many accidents you've had. They're taking a risk by letting you drive their car/maintain there servers and a piece of paper that can be achieved by dumping an exam is hardly worth taking a risk on. Take a look at any linux administrator job that even mentions that an RHCE would be ideal and you will also see experience requirements in the range of 3-10 years.

In your last post where you talked about failing the RHCE exam you mentioned not being able to configure the service because of the firewall. The customers I work with have dedicated servers. As for the ones who don't know what they're doing, do you know what they do when they can't configure a service because of the firewall? They disable the firewall and leave their system vulnerable to all sorts of attacks. Nobody is going to let you work on their server if you can't figure out how to get the firewall to work with necessary services.

And just so there's no confusion here, what you and senthil4984 were talking about earlier was reading a dump also know as brain dumps. What that means is that you were able to get a hold of the actual answers to the test or in this case an exact simulation of what the test is going to be like. How those dumps come in to existence is usually by someone violating the nondisclosure agreement of the exam and revealing actual material from the exam after taking it. To be as blunt as possible, you're talking about cheating on the exam in a public forum which is grounds for losing your certification if you manage to get it. Now if dumping means something else to you other than using brain dumps then I suggest you clarify, otherwise, what everybody else has told you in this thread stands. You have to gain the knowledge. You don't gain the knowledge by memorizing test answers and you certainly don't get a job that way.

Considering you not only failed the test but are also admitting to cheating on the test, then I would say no, you don't have the knowledge. Go get it and try again.

NO everytime i hit Enter button I HAVE TO HAVE think about our children :D man
Totally agree. I disable firewall just for troubleshooting in our private network when service is not working as we expect. Other wise DENY ALL ;)
I am not this guy man. Certs is nothing for me if i don't have the knowledge and experiences I should have. I am learning from my failure and try work hard each day wish the hope that i can get get a job that i want to earn money for our children.
That's is what i am studying/labing/ playing with it. To make sure that even i am not certified in paper yet but MY KNOWLEDGE and hand on experiences equal or greater than that CERT :D other wise >/dev/null :D :D
Thank you all your supports and advices.

Red Hat, of course, would prefer to sell you another certification . . . :rolleyes:

Surf through their catalog, spend some more of your money, and buy another one. Rinse and repeat.

you took it and passed
go to the pub , have a beer
then get back to work .

other than that , only you can answer that question

Then you should definitely understand what the word test dump implies. A lot of people get the impression that you're trying to cheat when you say that you're reading a test dump. On another note. I've got a friend who has a hard time understanding the wording for tests due to language barriers. If it's at all possible to get a system administration job in your area without certifications then I would recommend not worrying too much about the RHCE right now. The RHCE is really meant for candidates who already have years of linux administration experience.

wstewart90,
Hello, fellow techexamer :)

he he i got 7 years linux admin ;)

So, did you only fail the EX300 RHCE and pass the EX200 RHCSA?

Then I'm not sure why you're wasting your time and money on the RHCE exam. I would look at the exam objectives and make sure I knew whatever was covered in them but with 7 years of experience I'd imagine you don't need an RHCE to get a job. At $400 an exam with a 3 year lifespan, it's really not worth paying the money to maintain. You're time would be better spent learning about enterprise technologies that aren't covered in the RHCE.

No man. It is not my money :D for some projects in pre-sale positions your company needs people have certification man ;) IT is a policy.

hey GURU! i wanna have rhcsa or rhce cert someday. since iam new to this, im confused what distro should i use for practice. right now im using centos.

Spell out your words please. And if you used the LQ Search Function, you'd see many, MANY answers to this. CentOS is recommended, since it's almost identical to RHEL, but free.

And have you read any of the replies in this thread, and the many others like it?? You should NOT focus on getting a 'certification', but focus on the KNOWLEDGE behind it. LEARN what you're doing.

Are you interested in ex318 ? I am building my own lab for it ;)) If you are interested in too we can discuss and share books/references ? I only have ver old version for the book.
happy to conquer new challenge ;))
Thanks everyone.

K

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HI william,

I am interested in RHCVA ,so shall we go and proceed further for new challenge .please give me your personal mail id.I was searching for the guy like you.

please add my skypeid: kratos.william
thnx

Hows it going? The atmosphere isn't as friendly as it is on techexams but there's a lot more linux knowledge in these forums.

still not started ,I love this forum actually thats y i joined instead of reading book we can refer this forum because this gives the real time experience knowledge.
william i added u ,

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Well said here sir! I have experience but getting a certification is a gap filler as not all jobs will give you all the experience you need to do everything in the exam.

Sorry, but you obviously missed the point of what was said. It isn't a 'gap filler'...again, you should KNOW what you're doing before going for a certificate, and it has nothing to do with the 'job' giving you anything. You have to show some initiative and learn on your own.

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