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Old 09-03-2018, 11:21 AM   #1
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Thumbs down Why I think Diaspora* will never be more popular this way, and Facebook+Twitter remain as the most popular social networks


Why I think Diaspora* will never be more popular, and Facebook+Twitter remain as the most popular social networks. And Facebook Inc. (who owns Whatsapp, Facebook, Instagram) is not improving anything the laws allow it to di.

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Originally Posted by email from Diaspora Foundation about my account in its fora


Subject: [diaspora* Discourse] Your account has been suspended
Date: 2018/09/03 13:03 UTC-3

From: "diaspora* Discourse" <noreply@discourse.diasporafoundation.org>
To: [me]
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You have been suspended from the forum until September 3, 3018, 6:00am.

Repeated uncivil, off-topic discussions with no respect for our rules.

As outlined in

Three bad usability problems ... ... [1]
"Please don’t start about twitter and/or facebook" [2]

[1] https://discourse.diasporafoundation...oblems/1754/14

[2] https://discourse.diasporafoundation...acebook/1756/4

Do not sign up with a different account.
And I really dislike Facebook, and I have a few practical criticism about Twitter - but I am pushed to use one of them (for different things), liking it or not. I have no account in both.

(...) /-:

And 3018 for the year is not a typo - but probably an irony the "moderator" much laughed about.

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Old 09-03-2018, 12:05 PM   #2
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I read the thread, and I'm no longer sure what your point is: because of Javascript, or because of moderation?

In either case, take the lesson of your two-day suspension, and don't act here the way you did there.

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Old 09-03-2018, 12:11 PM   #3
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suspended [...] until [...] 3018

It is *not* a 2 day suspension, Dugan! It is a 100 years suspension. Read the quoted message carefully.

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You have been suspended from the forum until September 3, 3018, 6:00am.

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Old 09-03-2018, 05:27 PM   #4
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Isn't the point of Disaspora is that you can run your own server, and set the rules as you like there?

I mean, what kind of response did you expect, really?
 
Old 09-03-2018, 08:19 PM   #5
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Isn't the point of Diaspora is that you can run your own server, and set the rules as you like there?

[ page 1 pointed in #1 ]

[ page 2 pointed in #1 ]

I mean, what kind of response did you expect, really?
I wanted to discuss the current situation I see in Diaspora, in my culture, in the culture and society I see close to my real life - without lefting out, of course, a few virtual things.

We have the freedom to choose the server where we will have our account - we may even create our own server, of course, like you said.

But if an user creates an account there, what happens? Most people I know will miss the comments and everything related to what they have in FB or TW or IG. There is no path to change. There is no guide, and there is nothing easily clear to people, politics, artists, places, etc. to use Diaspora instead of profiles in the most popular networks.

Further, I can use (with others' profiles, since I do not want to create a profile for myself in FB, TW, IG) those social networks in a very simple and basic interface, even without javascript - which I prefer. (I am not sure that is possible for IG, but I have no reason to search for that now) Things that change while I am reading them, or while I go do something else for some time, are horrible, disgusting and are better kept away from me.
 
Old 09-03-2018, 09:14 PM   #6
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You sign up for something that uses discourse and you expect it to work well? Therein lies your first, huge mistake. Discourse is a plague of "forum"-type software. Absolute rubbish, and totally unusable in every way.
 
Old 09-03-2018, 09:30 PM   #7
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I vaguely remember that we once had a troll who kept "recommending" that we reimplement LQ in Discourse...
 
Old 09-03-2018, 09:38 PM   #8
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You sign up for something that uses discourse and you expect it to work well? Therein lies your first, huge mistake. Discourse is a plague of "forum"-type software. Absolute rubbish, and totally unusable in every way.
I showed a few arguments against Discourse in the use I tried to do with them, but they: were considered off-topic; should be made in the different place (the right one was said to be only the D. project meta). And (at most) a different thread would have been my choice for a few things. But actions (against my comments) were given/done very quickly - and this action was pointed and justified as no censorship (in a kind of irony, IMO). People recently said to me that Discourse is being considered the best forum software that exists today, saying it is better to admin, and a few other things (I do not clearly remember, so I will keep it for me, for now).

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Old 09-03-2018, 09:44 PM   #9
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I vaguely remember that we once had a troll who kept "recommending" that we reimplement LQ in Discourse...
Really?! :-O If anything toward that is ever done, I hope that Jeremy open its sources before all changes for that idea. LQ is just fine. It has configurable option - which is my first critical complaint about D. I could complain in the feedback forum about a few LQ details and issues, but nothing really critical, so I have them waiting.
 
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But no action were given or left very quickly
What kind of action did you expect? That they would just throw out their forum software and start from scratch because you told them to do it? Start a muli-million dollar advertisement campaign to convince masses of people to switch from Facebook, Twitter, etc?
 
Old 09-04-2018, 07:47 AM   #11
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What kind of action did you expect? That they would just throw out their forum software and start from scratch because you told them to do it? Start a muli-million dollar advertisement campaign to convince masses of people to switch from Facebook, Twitter, etc?
The words you quoted are wrong - and so is the idea of your argument. The quoted words do not have the idea I had in my mind when I wrote my previous post. I edited that post now. That part should have been something like:

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But actions (against my comments and discussion) were given/done very quickly - and this action was pointed and justified as no censorship (in a kind of irony, IMO).
I meant to say something about the attitude on my threads there, the very bad and extreme actions. And my threads were simple and were trying to discuss things that (in my humble opinion) could be constructive to what Diaspora is (not) today.
 
Old 09-04-2018, 12:55 PM   #12
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Why I think Diaspora* will never be more popular, and Facebook+Twitter remain as the most popular social networks. And Facebook Inc. (who owns Whatsapp, Facebook, Instagram) is not improving anything the laws allow it to di.

Quote:
Originally Posted by email from Diaspora Foundation about my account in its fora
Subject: [diaspora* Discourse] Your account has been suspended
Date: 2018/09/03 13:03 UTC-3

From: "diaspora* Discourse" <noreply@discourse.diasporafoundation.org>
To: [me]
Body:
You have been suspended from the forum until September 3, 3018, 6:00am.

Repeated uncivil, off-topic discussions with no respect for our rules.

As outlined in

Three bad usability problems ... ... [1]
"Please don’t start about twitter and/or facebook" [2]

[1] https://discourse.diasporafoundation...oblems/1754/14

[2] https://discourse.diasporafoundation...acebook/1756/4

Do not sign up with a different account.
And I really dislike Facebook, and I have a few practical criticism about Twitter - but I am pushed to use one of them (for different things), liking it or not. I have no account in both.

(...) /-:

And 3018 for the year is not a typo - but probably an irony the "moderator" much laughed about.
looking at your posting history, it seems you were criticizing & creating meta discussions right from the start:
https://discourse.diasporafoundation.org/u/balacobaco
you have previously received clear warning signs from various mods, but doggedly went on harping on the same topics.
finally somebody lost their nerve and suspended you (but only after first warning you off, and you still didn't stop it).
totally deserved imo.

read what you were told. then read it again:
Quote:
Multiple times now, you have been made aware by several members of the team that your behaviour is disruptive. In an endless loop, you keep complaining about things you dislike about Discourse, while providing no actual feedback or discussions around the project we are working on - diaspora. In my previous post liked above, I kindly asked you to re-read the rules we have established here, and it looks like you either do not care or you do not want to care. You have been asked to participate in a meaningful way multiple times, and yet, you still continue with whatever you are trying to do here. If you want to continue to claim how bad diaspora is because of how Discourse has no “basic mobile interface”, then well, good luck. I am not going to let you do that here, or in any other official communication resource.

Closing off-topic, unproductive discussion with not even a slight chance of actionable outcomes is not needless censorship, it’s called moderation. Moderation is the difference between 4chan and a place where we can have productive discussion on our projects. With closing threads - and user accounts - we make sure discussions in this place stay open, civil, and result in something that everyone can act on. Your behavior is not conducive to the environment we maintain here.
and now you are re-creating the same drama here?

PS: what? diaspora is just another discourse forum? am i missing something here?

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Old 09-04-2018, 01:05 PM   #13
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It is *not* a 2 day suspension, Dugan! It is a 100 years suspension. Read the quoted message carefully.
No, you read it carefully - it's a one thousand year suspension.
 
Old 09-04-2018, 01:05 PM   #14
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Yes, I was creating meta discussions because I wanted to discuss things about the Diaspora social network, but the forum Diaspora Foundation uses for that is Discourse. As I said, maybe I mixed too much the two topics there... but that is all. Permanent suspension? (...)

Diaspora is a (distributed) social network. Discourse in Diaspora Foundation is different from that. It is not part of Diaspora, but part of Diaspora Foundation portal.

This may help:

Wikipedia: Diaspora (social network)

And I am not recreating anything. I showed what happened. I explained a bit more of what I wanted (had) to say there, but I did not completely said. And a few people are talking with me about it, differently from what happened in DF forum in the very small period my two threads were open there.
 
Old 09-04-2018, 01:08 PM   #15
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No, you read it carefully - it's a one thousand year suspension.
hahahahahaha... indeed.
 
  


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