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Old 04-20-2024, 01:12 PM   #31
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I sure in the hell won't move.

My ranch cat was good at cornering desert diamond backs.
I used a pipe with a rope threaded through it to grab it's head behind the wash machine.
No firing guns in the house.
Dumped him back out in the cactus because they hunt mice and kangaroo rats.
Neighbor saw me as he was driving by.
Made a point of shooting it in front of me. Like I was a dumbass.
But he is Mexican and I am white. Par for the course.
Gotta live out here to understand this.

The world is NOT a perfect place.
 
Old 04-20-2024, 02:35 PM   #32
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No, our rights are inerrant, they are not given by government. The US Constitution enumerates those rights and restricts the governments ability to infringe upon them.
I believe you mean inherent not inerrant. The SCOTUS has ruled the right secured by the Second Amendment is not unlimited nor are gun laws unconstitutional.

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The more guns, the weaker the gun laws, the more gun violence and deaths.
 
Old 04-20-2024, 03:59 PM   #33
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All that I look for is training and education. In the early days, "the NRA" was all about this. They helped the Boy Scouts develop their "Rifle and Shotgun" merit badge. Then, they turned into a political mouthpiece which, in my opinion, is quite dangerous in some of the things they say. A weapon is fundamentally a tool, which has no "Undo" feature. The only way to use it properly and safely is: knowledge and practice. ("Marksmanship" can be a very beguiling sport.)
 
Old 04-20-2024, 09:25 PM   #34
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Everyone and their grandmas own firearms in our section of rural Oregon. Even if I didn't, there is high probabilty that my boys will encounter firearms visiting friends. Therefore, I view mandatory gun safety training at schools as helpful, regardless of my view on them. My wife hit a bear with my pickup, and it died all the way -- the truck was fine. But had it not, and was suffering in the ditch, I think the firearm is a useful tool to practice euthanasia on a wounded bear--better than the hatchet I keep under the seat. The compound bow with broadhead is equally if not more effective, but my wife cannot draw my bow all the way back. I am so remote, that when a drunk stranger wandered onto our property and challenged everyone and anyone to a duel to the death, the state police told me over the phone to use citizen's arrest, because they did not have the man power to dispatch anybody to help us. So as a tool, firearms have their place. Nevertheless, there is nothing more dispicable than open-carrying gun-toting "Christians". They look like frightened faithless monkeys to me.
 
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Eutanasia likr avortment is illegal and forbidden in bible, testament
 
Old 04-21-2024, 08:10 AM   #36
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Eutanasia likr avortment is illegal and forbidden in bible, testament
Surprisingly, the Bible says nothing at all about abortion although we know that it was practised in those days. There are ancient Egyptian formulae of dubious value for procuring abortions. But in the Law of Moses there is nothing about these, just a brief note about accidental miscarriages caused by violence against a pregnant woman. If the child was lost but no further mischief followed, the man responsible had to offer the couple reparations for that loss. But "further mischief" (presumably the death of the woman from complications of labour) was treated as murder.

Now that I come to think of it, euthanasia isn't mentioned either. Traditional Judeo-Christian ethics forbid both, but they didn't get that out of the Bible.
 
Old 04-25-2024, 04:45 PM   #37
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Surprisingly, the Bible says nothing at all about abortion although we know that it was practised in those days. There are ancient Egyptian formulae of dubious value for procuring abortions. But in the Law of Moses there is nothing about these, just a brief note about accidental miscarriages caused by violence against a pregnant woman. If the child was lost but no further mischief followed, the man responsible had to offer the couple reparations for that loss. But "further mischief" (presumably the death of the woman from complications of labour) was treated as murder.

Now that I come to think of it, euthanasia isn't mentioned either. Traditional Judeo-Christian ethics forbid both, but they didn't get that out of the Bible.
Or vice versa... it can be as well an assault from the woman.
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Marital hierarchy was introduced at creation, where the husband was to lovingly exercise authority over his wife and the wife was to respectfully submit to her husband. God designed men to provide for and protect their wives (Genesis 2:15), and He designed women to be helpers to their husbands (Genesis 2:18).
Abortion is anyhow forbidden, because it is not according to first principles.

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Old 04-26-2024, 12:08 AM   #38
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He designed women to be helpers to their husbands (Genesis 2:18).
Actually that's a well-known mistranslation. The Hebrew word ezer does not mean an assistant but a rescuer, one who comes to your help when you are in trouble or danger. The word is usually applied to God Himself, so Genesis is unusual (and rather cheeky) in applying it to women. The meaning clearly is that "it is not good for a man to be alone", so woman is provided to rescue him from that fate.

I think it was Mary Wollestoncraft who wrote, "Woman was not made from man's head that he might serve her nor from his feet that he might rule her, but from his side to be his equal, from under his arm that he should protect her, and from against his heart that he should love her."

What are "first principles" btw? Where are they written out?
 
Old 04-26-2024, 02:52 AM   #39
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This seems like a rehash of a similar thread from a few years ago. The firearms problem in the US is not easily resolved. In the ideal world no one would own a firearm, but we live in a time where there are actually far bigger problems.

If you take them from the law abiding people, they're still in the hands of every criminal / psychopath. So what next? Trust in the police? Then there is the valid concern that in rural parts, a rifle is a necessary survival / hunting tool. Law abiding people in a rural area handing in their rifles, doesn't make any difference to firearm related crime / deaths in urban areas.

However, glamourising firearms and trivialising their usage in films / TV is something that should be addressed. The same goes for violence in general. There is a disturbing trend in Amazon or Netflix series, for example, where tasteless gratuitious violence has become the norm.

I believe there is a religion thread? Maybe continue the off topic religious chatter over there.
 
Old 04-29-2024, 04:22 AM   #40
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However, glamourising firearms and trivialising their usage in films / TV is something that should be addressed. The same goes for violence in general. There is a disturbing trend in Amazon or Netflix series, for example, where tasteless gratuitious violence has become the norm.
Well said, sir. I agree.

I'm noticed that in movies when someone gets shot it's quick and clean, but in actuality I understand there would be chunks of flesh and large amounts of blood everywhere.
 
Old 04-29-2024, 06:28 AM   #41
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Actually that's a well-known mistranslation. The Hebrew word ezer does not mean an assistant but a rescuer, one who comes to your help when you are in trouble or danger. The word is usually applied to God Himself, so Genesis is unusual (and rather cheeky) in applying it to women. The meaning clearly is that "it is not good for a man to be alone", so woman is provided to rescue him from that fate.

I think it was Mary Wollestoncraft who wrote, "Woman was not made from man's head that he might serve her nor from his feet that he might rule her, but from his side to be his equal, from under his arm that he should protect her, and from against his heart that he should love her."

What are "first principles" btw? Where are they written out?
For instance, https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ten_Commandments
Protect Life.

Above quote / netflix:
Should such movies be prohibited?

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Old 04-29-2024, 09:51 AM   #42
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.....I'm noticed that in movies when someone gets shot it's quick and clean, but in actuality I understand there would be chunks of flesh and large amounts of blood everywhere.
It depends on the round (type of ammunition) and where on the body it hits.
There is entirely too much, completely unnecessary violence in today's films, TV and video games.

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Old 04-29-2024, 01:43 PM   #43
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It depends on the round (type of ammunition) and where on the body it hits.
There is entirely too much, completely unnecessary violence in today's films, TV and video games.
the development of the James Bond movies is best example.

Roger Moore was clean,... and today, it is brutal pure.

The movie check should recheck all modern James Bond movies.
https://duckduckgo.com/?q=brutality+...+movies&ia=web

https://www.tandfonline.com/doi/full...1.2018.1423208

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Old 04-29-2024, 01:44 PM   #44
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There is also the sport of competition shooting.

https://usashooting.org/athletes/olympic-team/
 
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There is also the sport of competition shooting.

https://usashooting.org/athletes/olympic-team/
An war around in many countries...
 
  


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