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It's simple. If you broke a window, and you are of the wrong tribe, you go to prison for three years, ostensibly "awaiting trial." In the meantime, you are in solitary confinement.
If you are of the wrong tribe, and you lawfully possess classified documents from your term as President, they will build a tomb in your prison cell.
But, if you are of the right tribe, no matter what you do, nothing will ever happen to you.
"The Law™" is a weapon of war. Always remember that. If you "speak your mind" on any "public forum," and someone in a position of power disagrees with what you say, they might come for you in the middle of the night and arrest you and take you away in front of your four-year old child, never to be seen again. (It has already happened many times.) They might get around to charging you with a crime someday. Welcome to the United States of Banana.
Last edited by sundialsvcs; 03-13-2024 at 08:53 AM.
Crimes are crimes, not a crime is not a crime. J6 committee seemingly has intentionally put crimes on people where there were no crimes.
Breaking a window, is a low level crime, can't see how someone can get prison time for that.
Putting feet on a desk and getting prison time seems a bit much.
Getting a misdemeanor and a $1,000 fine for breaking glass seems appropriate.
Hitting cops with sticks is also very bad, but again, prison time seems a bit much. People get beat by cops everyday, don't hear much about those cops getting fired or jailed.
Making visits to people who had credit card charges made near DC on J6, seems a bit over-reaching, trying to pin a crime on someone where there is no crime.
Trump grilled in court for some minor docs BS, Biden steals docs as Senator and VP and nothing becomes of it.
The stark fact is, it's a 2-tier justice system in US, voters need to recognize that.
You really need to look at the facts and evidence. This was not a "hit a cop with a stick once" kinda thing. The were fighting for HOURS and did a LOT of damage! Those who did no damage and caused little or no injury have already served their sentence and are out of jail. On the day the police would have been entirely justified in shooting a few dozen of them, but showed restraint. The prosecutors could have brought more charges (there was plenty of evidence), and judges could have given harder sentences (based upon sentencing guidelines) but showed restraint. There was a LOT of crime, and teh criminals were the only ones not showing restraint!
It's simple. If you broke a window, and you are of the wrong tribe, you go to prison for three years, ostensibly "awaiting trial." In the meantime, you are in solitary confinement.
If you are of the wrong tribe, and you lawfully possess classified documents from your term as President, they will build a tomb in your prison cell.
But, if you are of the right tribe, no matter what you do, nothing will ever happen to you.
"The Law™" is a weapon of war. Always remember that. If you "speak your mind" on any "public forum," and someone in a position of power disagrees with what you say, they might come for you in the middle of the night and arrest you and take you away in front of your four-year old child, never to be seen again. (It has already happened many times.) They might get around to charging you with a crime someday. Welcome to the United States of Banana.
I have not heard of a single case of the 6Jan "tribe" where they were held in solitary. In fact, most waited trial at home on bail. If you mean in the more general case you have a point: the system is broken for identifiable minorities. SOME of us are working to fix it, others just complain or even claim it SHOULD be that way. (IT should NOT be that way!)
You really need to look at the facts and evidence. This was not a "hit a cop with a stick once" kinda thing. The were fighting for HOURS and did a LOT of damage! Those who did no damage and caused little or no injury have already served their sentence and are out of jail. On the day the police would have been entirely justified in shooting a few dozen of them, but showed restraint. The prosecutors could have brought more charges (there was plenty of evidence), and judges could have given harder sentences (based upon sentencing guidelines) but showed restraint. There was a LOT of crime, and teh criminals were the only ones not showing restraint!
Shoot unarmed citizens, justified?
Well, they did murder one unarmed citizen, Ashli Babbitt. That murder has no indictment. The meaning of "to murder and get away with it", right there on video.
But wait a sec, why didn't those 10,000 National Guard folks come to the Capital building that day? Why was there FBI agents in the crowd stoking the fire? Why did Capital police open doors and wave people in? It's all very fishy at minimum.
I think what we have here with J6 is, 1/3 the story has been told.
We're seeing this play out with the current SCOTUS. I'm hopeful that their delay tactic is just a way to help Trump in his upcoming litigation and not a prelude to granting him full immunity. Giving Trump full immunity would be a dangerous, insane thing to do.
Shoot unarmed citizens, justified?
Well, they did murder one unarmed citizen, Ashli Babbitt. That murder has no indictment. The meaning of "to murder and get away with it", right there on video.
There was a LOT of warning given, and the police were DEFENDING. They could have shot all of the attackers at that point and it would have been justified under the law.
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But wait a sec, why didn't those 10,000 National Guard folks come to the Capital building that day?
HOURS after the .. Look can you read? You should read the investigative reports from the Congress and the capital police. It is all in there. Stop believing FOX commentators and Russian propaganda!
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and Why was there FBI agents in the crowd stoking the fire?
There were not. Those claims were investigated and disproved long ago. Just read the reports so you have the facts, please.
One thing that has always disturbed me about "American elections" is that – while you are [supposed to be ...] "free to vote" – you are not free to choose "who to vote for." This is now a purely-corporate decision.
This was not always the case. As you can see from, for example, the Wikipedia page on "Defunct American Political Parties," there used to be a fairly-vibrant competition for the ballot, and the winner was chosen from a plurality of votes.
I have not heard of a single case of the 6Jan "tribe" where they were held in solitary. In fact, most waited trial at home on bail. If you mean in the more general case you have a point: the system is broken for identifiable minorities. SOME of us are working to fix it, others just complain or even claim it SHOULD be that way. (IT should NOT be that way!)
I don't know what the situation is today but "23-hour-a-day isolation" was the norm for dozens of defendants at the start (04/19/2021): "Most of the 300-plus people charged with participating in the Jan. 6 Capitol riot have been released while they await trial, but dozens of those deemed to be dangerous, flight risks or at high risk of obstructing justice were ordered held without bond. D.C. jail officials later determined that all Capitol detainees would be placed in so-called restrictive housing — a move billed as necessary to keep the defendants safe, as well as guards and other inmates. But that means 23-hour-a-day isolation for the accused, even before their trials begin."
Sen. Elizabeth Warren: “Solitary confinement is a form of punishment that is cruel and psychologically damaging,” Warren said in an interview. “And we’re talking about people who haven’t been convicted of anything yet.” Emphasis mine. https://www.politico.com/news/2021/0...-warren-483125
Welcome to "the United States of Banana." This is not the country that I want to live in. In fact, the Founders of our country promised that this country would be different. Including, for example, the idea that "I would feel 'free' to actually say that."
Long before, Dr. Martin Luther King, Jr. filled that very same space with another "public protest." (This space, indeed, is supposed to be dedicatedto the sanctity of: "public protest." And, his 'public protest' ultimately made a difference.
Today, people are rotting in isolation in prisons because they ... went to what they thought was "their" Capitol and took selfies.
"I didn't say anything, because I was not [...] ... but then, they came for me." Think very carefully about what will one day be inscribed upon your gravestone.
Last edited by sundialsvcs; 03-14-2024 at 09:27 AM.
Welcome to "the United States of Banana." This is not the country that I want to live in. In fact, the Founders of our country promised that this country would be different. Including, for example, the idea that "I would feel 'free' to actually say that."
Long before, Dr. Martin Luther King, Jr. filled that very same space with another "public protest." (This space, indeed, is supposed to be dedicatedto the sanctity of: "public protest." And, his 'public protest' ultimately made a difference.
Today, people are rotting in isolation in prisons because they ... went to what they thought was "their" Capitol and took selfies.
And stole property, destroyed property, shat on the floor and smeared it on the walls. But they did not wander in, they had to assault multiple capital police officers, break down doors or windows, and threaten the lives of elected officials (have you forgotten the "hang Mike Pence" chanting and the scaffold they built on the lawn?) for hours just to get inside.
Every citizen has the right to protest, but nothing gives you the right to attack people, destroy other people' property, are interrupt government proceedings, or the right to assault the democratic process and our form of government. IF you want to change those you have that right, but you practice that right by bringing cases to the whole of the people and voting on the questions. If you choose illegal violence instead then you deserve to pay for those crimes.
It's common for many to call out things as conspiracy, because there's no desire to unearth facts.
Many "convicted" J6'ers went to jail and got out, are waiting in jail, or still serving actual sentence.
This guy Epps pleads guilty and walks free?
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Ray Epps, who was driven into hiding by death threats, pleaded guilty in September to a misdemeanor charge. He received no jail time, and there were no restrictions placed on his travel during his probation, but he will have to serve 100 hours of community service.
And stole property, destroyed property, shat on the floor and smeared it on the walls. But they did not wander in, they had to assault multiple capital police officers, break down doors or windows, and threaten the lives of elected officials (have you forgotten the "hang Mike Pence" chanting and the scaffold they built on the lawn?) for hours just to get inside.
That's not 100% true. There's actual video anyone can watch that shows the "PD" opened doors and waved people in. Perhaps those PD folks were in on the "Trump plan" to enact an "insurrection".
"Hang Mike Pence", oh boy, that's some real threat there, words, protected by 1st Amendment, or at least it used to be.
Can anyone find any law that says a fed agent can shoot-to-kill an un-armed citizen inside US Capital that is suspected of trespassing or breaking a window?
Obviously I have not watched 40,000+ hours of video but many of the supposed videos of Police waving people in have been debunked by Snopes, Politifact, CNN and others. A true threat is not protected by the 1st Amendment and if I was the VP that day I don't think I would want to find out if it was really true or not.
Ray Epps pleaded guilty to disorderly conduct on restricted grounds, was actually remorseful for the act versus others and received death threats after Republican members of Congress and conservative media spread false claims that he was an undercover agent.
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