Just in... Consumer Vista held back till 2007.
It must be oh so devastating to have to wait another six months for a transparent toolbar.
More time to promote a Linux solution.

Good quote here a while back: "With proprietary SW, upgrades and improvements are driven by profit---with Open Source they are driven by better SW."
The real question is if and when MS will start re-adjusting their business models.

Yeah I heard about this too. No in fact, I think I posted in a thread exactly like this.

But seriously I think you guys need to consider something. What if the delay is because Microsoft is honestly trying to make a better operating system...



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I doubt they'll change their strategy as long as they're running in 90% of all desktops.

Actually, Windows Vista looks very attractive. I cannot wait to try it. For some reason, I really like that they are doing away with the File, Edit... menus in some programs. There is definately NO File, Edit... menu in my Firefox. (:

And you have to admit that Office 2007 looks far nicer then OpenOffice.org. It seems more...capable also. Not that OOo doesn't have potential. I haven't tried KOffice yet, but the new version seems promising as well.

well yeah windows vista I also feel may have the potential to seriously slow down the LINUX's spreading progress and i wanted to open a thread to talk if WINDOWS VISTA CAN blow linux away (seriously)
since windows XP is a vastly stable OS and does compete with LINUX on serious levels but i think if linux users are given a PROPER GUIDANCE AND GOAL , all can BANG out windows but at this rate vista can seriously HINDER if not stop linux's spreading to the world

Actually, Windows Vista looks very attractive. I cannot wait to try it. For some reason, I really like that they are doing away with the File, Edit... menus in some programs. There is definately NO File, Edit... menu in my Firefox. (:

And you have to admit that Office 2007 looks far nicer then OpenOffice.org. It seems more...capable also. Not that OOo doesn't have potential. I haven't tried KOffice yet, but the new version seems promising as well.
So you are looking forward to paying 300 dollars for an operating system that comes with practically no apps to use and with privacy infringing policies just for a prettier version of Windows XP? And you are looking forward to paying 300 dollars for an office suite just to look at the pretty toolbars when you could use just-as-good free-of-charge office suites? I'm sorry, I just don't understand the mentality there, when I could just build a whole new computer with software and all for about 100 dollars less than that...

Naturally, I am always interested in a "better mousetrap," from Microsoft or from anyone else who wants to play the game.

"The game" is competition, and in the face of it Microsoft just isn't doing too well these days. There are obviously serious internal quality problems. It was probably a gutsy but necessary decision to delay it. Unfortunately, their competition isn't waiting. In business, timing is everything.

Microsoft now has two Unix-based contenders that have moved right in on their turf: Linux and OS/X-86. Both of these are very high-profile and have a very markedly demonstrated ability to respond more quickly than Microsoft can. Both of these are embracing the open-source approach; maybe Microsoft ( gasp! ) should follow suit.

vmlinuz.gz ...

i think you can try something like this ...

previously was ... for windows we have linux at the top for super power toolings while windows at the bottom for "safe" and quick and no-thinking and no-tinkering solutions ...

but right now we do linux , sun and bsd(nah ... these two just for some sooth-saying) at the top and linux at the bottom ?? probably ?? ha !! no more windows !!

for i really see no reasons for running windows at all ... probably if only you are some tech.(for "sampling") or you got "undeniable" obligations towards your kids and wife or something ... other than that there arent any needs for windows at all ...

by all means try out koffice if you wanted to ... if you do like it ... sticks with it if only you are daring enough ...



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hello.... but think about it microsoft's windows xp is very stable and thats bad for linux community , one more windows version like that and linux's usage or should i say MIGRATION would be seriously hindered. The one thing that i have to say is that linux programmers should brainstorm their ideas and work together to develop something that would seriously attract people like a HELP CHARACTER that would help newbies (i mean seriously t here should be some character what can tell ppl how to repair things (as mostly ppl have become LAME !@# 1%!%!@$@$34) [thanks 2 microsoft] all they think now is FORMAT AND FRESH INSTALL , so one distrubution , all packages (like wine and that game thing) some distros still dont give that and thats it [ok may b for professional or HARDCORE linux ppl there should be lightweight distros 4 their custom use ...
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Not only that but they are going to change the management of the OS team and it may be as early as wednesday. Peter Allchin who was heading the OS division was going to retire end Dec 06 and he had practically handed over to Johson. Now steve sinofsky who currently heads their office division will head the OS division. Apparently sinofsky has a "better" track record in meeting deadlines. But will it help vista? This above from a news item and I don't know the full names of the persons involved.

The response anyway seems to be that Vista might - at the end of the day - be like ME (an incremental step) and not W95 which was the last great step forward for microsoft(compared to W31 and WWG).

But whats intriguing is that Vista is being offered to corporates on schedule. Maybe some licensing discounts or free upgrades (in the first year).

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I'm not exactly sure which version of XP you're using, but could maybe send me a copy? Even though I hardly boot Windows anymore I still have the issues I did when I was using it exclusively. My Slack install has yet to crash on me once, and I know I've done things that should have crashed it and probably would have destroyed a Windows install.

>> "FORMAT AND FRESH INSTALL"

and reformating and fresh installations of windows are the easiest while customisations are the easiest in linux for many times they are just human readable files ...


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Maybe, and maybe not... why do people choose and use a particular OS in the first place? Sure, for a long time they didn't have a choice, but now that they do, what makes them decide?

A lot of people don't even distinguish between the hardware and the software at all. They'll either wait for Vista, or, just as likely, stick with whatever they have. They pink through the Internet and send annoying pictures of kidney-stones to their relatives. ( seriously... )

Those that use Linux, and get comfortable with it and find that it does what they want to do... well, those people certainly don't care what happens to Vista, one way or the other!

Completely agreed. It's the nerds who will go out and actually buy a copy of it, all other people will just buy it pre-loaded when they need to. And I'm willing to bet that a large fraction of these people who even would buy it won't because they are too informed to.
I use Linux because of its expandability and because of its ability to run beautifully. Getting it to run beautifully can be difficult, but simply buying high-quality hardware is the main step.
I enjoy being able to change things with Linux -- something I will never be able to do on the same level with Windows.
And a note to everybody who is looking forward to Vista -- how long will it take before you get tired of all of the pretty visual effects and wish you could choose a new theme like you could in all of the Linux environments? It just isn't worth the ridiculously high price tag. Even if it were free I wouldn't buy it.