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Old 04-18-2024, 12:01 PM   #46
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Yes. Often without saying anything new.
You get used to it.
As if the liberal chorus in this forum doesn't!

 
Old 04-18-2024, 12:21 PM   #47
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Not in the way he does, which is copy-and-pasting the same boilerplate over and over. I assume you’re not dishonest enough to pretend that there’s any similarity.
 
Old 04-18-2024, 01:43 PM   #48
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They will now accuse them and seek to put them in prison for any official action
Nothing Mr. Trump is accused of is an 'official action'. Grabbing a woman's genitals without her consent, bragging about it in a taped interview with a reporter? Mr. Trump could have saved himself a lot of trouble and other people's money if he had simply stated something like "I don't remember that incident' and stopped. Since he did not, he ended up in a civil suit in the E. Jean Carroll case and a jury determined he had committed sexual abuse and lied about it.

The current suit in New York is basically about his history of lying, cheating others over a period of decades and not a single incident. It is a law enacted by prompting from the then AG of New York in the 1950's and is not often used as not many people engage in activities of this sort. Nothing to do with 'official acts'.

The Georgia suit is politics, trying to change the outcome of an election similar to what Nixon did except Nixon did it prior to the election and did it better as he won the election.

I saw this morning that Mr. Trump thought he had unlimited peremptory strikes of jurors. The standard in many states is 10 for each side unless a death penalty case and I'm sure Mr Trump's lawyers were aware of this.
 
Old 04-18-2024, 02:57 PM   #49
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I'd still like to know how Biden can cancel $750 Billion in student loans. Not sure I've ever seen a President have that authority.
 
Old 04-18-2024, 03:52 PM   #50
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I'd still like to know how Biden can cancel $750 Billion in student loans. Not sure I've ever seen a President have that authority.
That's somewhat akin to former President Trump giving hundreds of billions in tax breaks to the wealthiest corporations. The corporations re-invested the breaks into themselves and became richer. No Reagon-esque trickle down effect there at all.
The students who have their loans forgiven can go out and be healthy consumers thus benefiting the economy.
 
Old 04-18-2024, 04:47 PM   #51
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I'd still like to know how Biden can cancel $750 Billion in student loans. Not sure I've ever seen a President have that authority.
Hopefully you've noticed that the US is no longer as much a recipient of the 20th Century "Brain Drain" in which it was utterly common for people of high skill and motivation to desire to emigrate to the US. Part of the reason for that is the US scrapping or de-funding numerous technology and scientific projects like the Super Collider and quite a few NASA projects, and many, many more of a much more mundane nature but essential to the well-being of all Americans.

Those projects along with the brains that fuel them go elsewhere now and our Universities have suffered some rot because of this and one factor is the huge expense and long term debt facing anyone considering education beyond High School. A viable economy NEEDS all levels of education in it's work force.

This also trickles down into the abyss of modern "No Child Left Behind" (a misnomer if there ever was one) in all public schools, secondary and primary, vastly reducing any motivation o learn anything. If you, as most of the citizenry is and are burdened with, cannot afford private schooling for your children, they are essentially locked into relative poverty, not to mention ignorance. Personally, I think that is both a noble and incredibly pragmatic use of authority, since it serves the most basic reason for existence of any government, protecting the future of its' citizens.

I would think those who believe in "The Deep State" and particularly those that recognize the most hidden of those that make it up, are corporations who prefer lower classes stay ignorant, compliant, and poor, would salute such an action that works against deep control by The Wealthy Elite. The old adage, "Know Your Enemy" is more important than ever and the most useful weapons against such nefarious groups is education. If you don't learn critical thinking, you've already lost that battle as you won't even see who is rolling right over you, bit by bit. In fact, you might even be tricked into helping them strip you of the rights you now have in the human version of "fly fishing".

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Old 04-18-2024, 05:05 PM   #52
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As if the liberal chorus in this forum doesn't!

sundialsvcs is in a special category. I don't think any other forum regular, liberal or conservative, could so often be mistaken for a spambot. And he's like this on non-political topics too (e.g., see his spiels on OpenVPN, in which he consistently denies the existence of UDP ports(!?)).

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That's somewhat akin to former President Trump giving hundreds of billions in tax breaks to the wealthiest corporations.
That was passed by Congress, so it's not the same in terms of the President having authority.
 
Old 04-18-2024, 05:40 PM   #53
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This "civil lawsuit" would not exist if the accused person was not a viable candidate today for the Presidency. Please don't kid yourself nor me about that.

We will bankrupt him. Or, we will find a way to throw him in prison for five hundred years. Or, in November, we will find "500 million votes cast against him" in a nation whose entire population is far less than that. Literally anything to maintain control of the one thing that certain people covet most of all: "P - O - W - E - R."

But, I can only say to this: "be very careful what you wish for."

Like it or not, "these are 'interesting times.'" These are times when this nation's system of government is being tested once again, now in "new and novel ways." Let us hope that this is not actually a curse.

What will the next few generations of "History PhD students" be selecting for their dissertations? Very likely: "Us!"
 
Old 04-18-2024, 06:01 PM   #54
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Trump didn't give any tax breaks. Congress did. Don't lie.

So these so called educated students that have refused to repay their loans now get up to free $50K? Are these the same people who can expect to get a higher paying job in the economy too? I know a lot of companies and government employment that requires a degree to get upper level pay. Could be the lowest in their class but a degree from el cheapo degree is the same as any. So we are promoting crooks? Thieves? Cheats?
Makes perfect sense to me.
 
Old 04-18-2024, 07:56 PM   #55
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I'd still like to know how Biden can cancel $750 Billion in student loans. Not sure I've ever seen a President have that authority.
The POTUS is the nations ultimate administrator. The Federal Education financing that is the basis for all Federal Education loans is ultimately administrated by his administration. His call.
Even then there are limits: limits of law, and the Federal Government does not administrate private or state authorized loans only the federal ones.

Of note: for the most part his recent actions do NOT actually forgive the original loans, they forgive the INTEREST on those loans. Someone who originally borrowed $50,000 and after 20 years of on-time payments totaling over $50,000 still owes $52,000 (all interest) and has effectively almost become slave labor: he has just given them the relief the should have already earned.
Also of note: the money forgiven is GHOST money in a sense, not money lent to anyone but debt generated on TOP of what they borrowed. IT costs nothing to forgive it so it is not a budget item. (IF it were, Congress would have to approve it.)

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Old 04-18-2024, 07:58 PM   #56
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That's somewhat akin to former President Trump giving hundreds of billions in tax breaks to the wealthiest corporations. The corporations re-invested the breaks into themselves and became richer. No Reagon-esque trickle down effect there at all.
The students who have their loans forgiven can go out and be healthy consumers thus benefiting the economy.
Well, not quite. Trump needed Congress to pass his proposed bill and send it to his desk. Since the federal education system is administrated by the federal administration that he heads and it is not a federal budget item, he does not need Congress.
 
Old 04-18-2024, 08:03 PM   #57
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Biden can't anymore break a contract than he can have the carpets replaced in the Whitehouse.

He may be an executive but he can't change public spending without recourse.

And there are two ways one may have financed a loan. Depends on the year.

It boils down to a bunch of lazy, cheats that took money (a lot of money) and have refused to repay it. It's a big joke to these people. They should be ashamed of their actions.

What did Kennedy say. Ask not what....
Guess it didn't apply to these creeps.

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Old 04-18-2024, 08:04 PM   #58
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No, people took loans that were guarantied by the government. The contract said the borrower was to repay to the lender.

The issue is Biden is breaking a contract with a private lender.
You need to research this a LOT more. Look it up, the information is public. The POTUS cannot forgive interest on private loans.
 
Old 04-18-2024, 09:30 PM   #59
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As stated these are Federal student loans and you can already apply for loan forgiveness for select professions and for specific reasons so this is not something the President has just dreamed up. Part of the reason for the student debt crisis is due to systemic racism. Believe or not there is or was racism built into the tax laws whereby you can deduct them from your taxes. There are pros and cons to both sides of the loan forgiveness argument. The number that will default on their loans anyway may cost us more in the long run.
 
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It boils down to a bunch of lazy, cheats that took money (a lot of money) and have refused to repay it. It's a big joke to these people. They should be ashamed of their actions.
What? Refused to pay? "Lazy cheats" generally know better than to refuse. That invites legal action. They just string 'em along... well unless the debtor has more wealth and power than the creditor. Those people have their lawyers string 'em along, kinda like Donald has done several times.

So, jefro, I have to ask. What percentage of college students do you think are "lazy cheats"?

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What did Kennedy say. Ask not what....
Guess it didn't apply to these creeps.
So if you put all college students who matriculated on loaned money and had difficulty repaying into one common basket, and call them all lazy, cheating creeps, what do you call corporate executives who pay little or no taxes but benefit from federal subsidies?
 
  


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