Miyo (Devuan derivative) pluma without cruft.

globetrotterdk · 01-09-2018, 10:43 AM

Wow, I have just installed Miyo, a Devuan derivative, and I have to say that I am definitely impressed. Unfortunately, because it is so minimal a system, there are a couple of my go-to programs that are missing. The problem is that when I try to install pluma, all sorts of cruft that are not program dependencies are included in the install, including the mate-desktop-common, usb-modeswitch, zenity, etc. How do I force an install of only programs/libs that pluma actually needs?

JWJones · 01-09-2018, 11:36 AM

If I remember my Debian (and derivatives) days correctly, I believe:

Code:

sudo apt install pluma --no-install-recommends

globetrotterdk · 01-09-2018, 03:02 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by JWJones

If I remember my Debian (and derivatives) days correctly, I believe:

Code:

sudo apt install pluma --no-install-recommends

Thanks for the quick reply. Unfortunately:

Code:

$ sudo apt install pluma --no-install-recommends
[sudo] password for ****: 
Reading package lists... Done
Building dependency tree       
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The following extra packages will be installed:
  libenchant1c2a libgtksourceview2.0-0 libgtksourceview2.0-common libhunspell-1.3-0 mate-desktop-common pluma-common
Suggested packages:
  libenchant-voikko
Recommended packages:
  enchant hunspell-en-us hunspell-dictionary myspell-dictionary zenity
The following NEW packages will be installed:
  libenchant1c2a libgtksourceview2.0-0 libgtksourceview2.0-common libhunspell-1.3-0 mate-desktop-common pluma pluma-common
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This isn't quite as bad as before, but why is mate-desktop-common included?

JWJones · 01-09-2018, 03:32 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by globetrotterdk

Thanks for the quick reply. Unfortunately:

This isn't quite as bad as before, but why is mate-desktop-common included?

Well, I'm not sure. But this sort of thing is exactly why I left Debian-based distros for Slackware.

Hopefully more Debian-experienced users will chime in.

What does this yield?:

Code:

sudo apt install pluma --no-depends

globetrotterdk · 01-10-2018, 05:35 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by JWJones

What does this yield?:

Code:

sudo apt install pluma --no-depends

Sorry, I can't give you that now. I upgraded to Devuan Ascii and the system seems to be borked. I get the following errors:
eth0 & wlan0

Code:

L1 - LTR disabled

Code:

wlan0: associated
ipv6: addrconf (netdev.change): wlan0 link becomes ready

After that, I just get a pulsing underscore.

Edit
I have tried booting into the system at init 3 level, but that doesn't help any.
I only use wireless, so here is my hardware info from another system on the same computer:

Code:

$ lspci -nn | grep 0280
04:00.0 Network controller [0280]: Intel Corporation Wireless 7260 [8086:08b1] (rev 73)

globetrotterdk · 01-10-2018, 12:49 PM

OK, I have another MiyoLinux (Devuan) system up and running now:

Code:

$ sudo apt install pluma --no-depends
E: Command line option --no-depends is not understood

ChuangTzu · 01-10-2018, 01:13 PM

because on Debian mate-common is a dependency for pluma.
https://packages.debian.org/jessie/pluma

cynwulf · 01-11-2018, 08:52 AM

As mate was a gnome 2.x fork, pluma is a fork of gedit 2.x the text editor for that desktop. It's now part of the mate desktop. If you don't like the cruft it installs, just find another text editor with less dependencies (i.e. something not tied to big desktop environments).

JWJones · 01-11-2018, 10:27 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by cynwulf

If you don't like the cruft it installs, just find another text editor with less dependencies (i.e. something not tied to big desktop environments).

Exactly. Leafpad is a good option, with few dependencies.

ondoho · 01-11-2018, 12:39 PM

apt and apt-get are different tools.
on older systems (the devuan base) apt-get has more options than the newer apt.
reading the man page for each will surely help.

cynwulf · 01-11-2018, 02:25 PM

I don't get the "apt" thing... The apt-get tool is still part of apt: https://packages.debian.org/sid/amd64/apt/filelist

https://manpages.debian.org/stretch/apt/apt.8.en.html

Quote:

apt provides a high-level commandline interface for the package management system. It is intended as an end user interface and enables some options better suited for interactive usage by default compared to more specialized APT tools like apt-get(8) and apt-cache(8).

So not as if it's deprecated.

globetrotterdk · 01-11-2018, 11:22 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by cynwulf

As mate was a gnome 2.x fork, pluma is a fork of gedit 2.x the text editor for that desktop. It's now part of the mate desktop. If you don't like the cruft it installs, just find another text editor with less dependencies (i.e. something not tied to big desktop environments).

Unfortunately, I need Pluma's "change case" plug-in on a regular basis, I guess I will have to live with some cruft. Fortunately, the --no-install-recommends command reduces the amount of cruft

ondoho · 01-12-2018, 02:02 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by cynwulf

So not as if it's deprecated.

which nobody said or even hinted at.

cynwulf · 01-12-2018, 04:22 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ondoho

which nobody said or even hinted at.

No you didn't in this thread. Plus - you weren't quoted and it was in no way directed at you.

But it is being treated as "the new standard" elsewhere. Certainly at the FDN site there are some who seem to think so...