[SOLVED] Lockups after fresh install of Debian 10, 11, and 12?

LinuxMonday · 07-13-2023, 06:36 PM

Hello all,

I'm a mid-level, long-time Linux user curious as to why I get random screen lockups after installing Debian?

I've tried on the last 3 releases to install Debian, everything looked good, but then after clicking around for a short time I get random problems. Last night, for example, after an easy, no-worries, standard GUI install (accepting all defaults) of Debian 12 with the new Gnome DE, just clicking from one topic to another in the settings app caused the system to lock and require that I hard-reset. On reboot, I randomly got the same and similar lockups changing tabs in Firefox web browser. Not every time, but randomly, and every several minutes.

This has occured on both of my older Dell laptops (one a 2012 and the other a 2013, both great condition, one a business class and the other an ultralight - not sure if this is even relevant, or if more system info specifics would be helpful). I've had these kinds of lockups whether I've installed Gnome, KDE, or XFCE. When I install something like Linux Mint, however, I don't get these lockups at all.

I've been wanting to move all my machines to Debian for some time (the above, plus a much newer desktop machine), so I'm curious what could be the difference causing these to happen, and if there's something I could do to correct it. Like, is it a difference in kernel, or something else like that maybe? I'm stymied, but I'm willing to experiment, install, config, etc. as needed to get it working - but I'm at a loss what might be the best next step.

Thanks for your thoughts / advice.

mrmazda · 07-14-2023, 02:11 AM

Real help requires us knowing more than just "Dell laptop". What are the specifications, of all three machines? Input/Output from inxi -Faz pasted here using code tags would probably provide most of what we would need for starters. For best results, use Bookworm, or any distro providing a non-ancient inxi version. Debians and most of its derivatives don't try to keep inxi anything like current. Best for most Debian users is to get it straight from the author, so that self-upgrades (using its -U switch) are available. Upgrades are typically in the 6-10 week range, with current 3.3.28 just days old.

LinuxMonday · 07-14-2023, 10:20 PM

Ok, thanks!

Here are the two laptop inxi reports, for the machines that have the random lockups on new Debian installs.

This one has since been put back on Linux Mint (needed more often than the other one, below), but has had random lockups on Debian 10/11/12, as well.

Code:

System:
  Kernel: 5.15.0-76-generic arch: x86_64 bits: 64 compiler: gcc v: 11.3.0
    parameters: BOOT_IMAGE=/boot/vmlinuz-5.15.0-76-generic
    root=UUID=46be5e88-4a90-4900-8a80-233582c6ca75 ro quiet splash
  Desktop: Cinnamon v: 5.6.8 tk: GTK v: 3.24.33 wm: muffin vt: 7 dm: LightDM
    v: 1.30.0 Distro: Linux Mint 21.1 Vera base: Ubuntu 22.04 jammy
Machine:
  Type: Laptop System: Dell product: Latitude E6540 v: 00
    serial: <superuser required> Chassis: type: 9 serial: <superuser required>
  Mobo: Dell model: 0VPH0Y serial: <superuser required> UEFI: Dell v: A26
    date: 10/09/2018
Battery:
  ID-1: BAT0 charge: 35.7 Wh (53.0%) condition: 67.4/98.2 Wh (68.6%)
    volts: 11.1 min: 11.1 model: Samsung SDI DELL F0D4C36 type: Li-ion
    serial: <filter> status: discharging
  Device-1: hidpp_battery_0 model: Logitech Wireless Mouse M325
    serial: <filter> charge: 55% (should be ignored) rechargeable: yes
    status: discharging
CPU:
  Info: model: Intel Core i7-4700MQ bits: 64 type: MT MCP arch: Haswell
    gen: core 4 level: v3 note: check built: 2013-15 process: Intel 22nm
    family: 6 model-id: 0x3C (60) stepping: 3 microcode: 0x28
  Topology: cpus: 1x cores: 4 tpc: 2 threads: 8 smt: enabled cache:
    L1: 256 KiB desc: d-4x32 KiB; i-4x32 KiB L2: 1024 KiB desc: 4x256 KiB
    L3: 6 MiB desc: 1x6 MiB
  Speed (MHz): avg: 1347 high: 2395 min/max: 800/3400 scaling:
    driver: intel_cpufreq governor: schedutil cores: 1: 2395 2: 2395 3: 1430
    4: 1368 5: 798 6: 799 7: 799 8: 799 bogomips: 38308
  Flags: avx avx2 ht lm nx pae sse sse2 sse3 sse4_1 sse4_2 ssse3 vmx
  Vulnerabilities:
  Type: itlb_multihit status: KVM: VMX disabled
  Type: l1tf mitigation: PTE Inversion; VMX: conditional cache flushes, SMT
    vulnerable
  Type: mds mitigation: Clear CPU buffers; SMT vulnerable
  Type: meltdown mitigation: PTI
  Type: mmio_stale_data status: Unknown: No mitigations
  Type: retbleed status: Not affected
  Type: spec_store_bypass mitigation: Speculative Store Bypass disabled via
    prctl and seccomp
  Type: spectre_v1 mitigation: usercopy/swapgs barriers and __user pointer
    sanitization
  Type: spectre_v2 mitigation: Retpolines, IBPB: conditional, IBRS_FW,
    STIBP: conditional, RSB filling, PBRSB-eIBRS: Not affected
  Type: srbds mitigation: Microcode
  Type: tsx_async_abort status: Not affected
Graphics:
  Device-1: Intel 4th Gen Core Processor Integrated Graphics vendor: Dell
    driver: i915 v: kernel arch: Gen-7.5 process: Intel 22nm built: 2013 ports:
    active: eDP-1 empty: DP-1, DP-2, HDMI-A-1, HDMI-A-2, HDMI-A-3, VGA-1
    bus-ID: 00:02.0 chip-ID: 8086:0416 class-ID: 0300
  Device-2: AMD Mars XTX [Radeon HD 8790M] vendor: Dell driver: radeon
    v: kernel alternate: amdgpu arch: GCN-1 code: Southern Islands
    process: TSMC 28nm built: 2011-20 pcie: gen: 3 speed: 8 GT/s lanes: 8
    ports: active: none empty: VGA-2 bus-ID: 01:00.0 chip-ID: 1002:6606
    class-ID: 0300 temp: 43.0 C
  Display: x11 server: X.Org v: 1.21.1.4 with: Xwayland v: 22.1.1 driver: X:
    loaded: modesetting,radeon unloaded: fbdev,vesa dri: crocus gpu: i915
    display-ID: :0 screens: 1
  Screen-1: 0 s-res: 1920x1080 s-dpi: 96 s-size: 508x285mm (20.00x11.22")
    s-diag: 582mm (22.93")
  Monitor-1: eDP-1 model: AU Optronics 0x11ed built: 2014 res: 1920x1080
    hz: 60 dpi: 142 gamma: 1.2 size: 344x193mm (13.54x7.6") diag: 394mm (15.5")
    ratio: 16:9 modes: 1920x1080
  API: OpenGL v: 4.6 Mesa 22.2.5-0ubuntu0.1~22.04.3 renderer: Mesa Intel HD
    Graphics 4600 (HSW GT2) direct-render: Yes
Audio:
  Device-1: Intel Xeon E3-1200 v3/4th Gen Core Processor HD Audio vendor: Dell
    driver: snd_hda_intel v: kernel bus-ID: 00:03.0 chip-ID: 8086:0c0c
    class-ID: 0403
  Device-2: Intel 8 Series/C220 Series High Definition Audio vendor: Dell 8
    driver: snd_hda_intel v: kernel bus-ID: 00:1b.0 chip-ID: 8086:8c20
    class-ID: 0403
  API: ALSA v: k5.15.0-76-generic status: kernel-api
    tools: alsactl,alsamixer,amixer
  Server-1: PipeWire v: 0.3.48 status: off tools: pw-cat,pw-cli
  Server-2: PulseAudio v: 15.99.1 status: active tools: pacat,pactl
Network:
  Device-1: Intel Ethernet I217-LM vendor: Dell driver: e1000e v: kernel
    port: f080 bus-ID: 00:19.0 chip-ID: 8086:153a class-ID: 0200
  IF: eno1 state: down mac: <filter>
  Device-2: Intel Centrino Advanced-N 6235 driver: iwlwifi v: kernel pcie:
    gen: 1 speed: 2.5 GT/s lanes: 1 bus-ID: 03:00.0 chip-ID: 8086:088e
    class-ID: 0280
  IF: wlp3s0 state: up mac: <filter>
Bluetooth:
  Device-1: Intel Centrino Bluetooth Wireless Transceiver driver: btusb v: 0.8
    type: USB rev: 2.0 speed: 12 Mb/s lanes: 1 mode: 1.1 bus-ID: 2-1.5:3
    chip-ID: 8087:07da class-ID: e001
  Report: hciconfig ID: hci0 rfk-id: 5 state: up address: <filter> bt-v: 2.1
    lmp-v: 4.0 sub-v: fc00 hci-v: 4.0 rev: 1ebd
  Info: acl-mtu: 310:10 sco-mtu: 64:8 link-policy: rswitch hold sniff park
    link-mode: peripheral accept service-classes: rendering, capturing, audio,
    telephony
RAID:
  Hardware-1: Intel 82801 Mobile SATA Controller [RAID mode] driver: ahci
    v: 3.0 port: f060 bus-ID: 00:1f.2 chip-ID: 8086:282a rev: N/A class-ID: 0104
Drives:
  Local Storage: total: 292.36 GiB used: 64.38 GiB (22.0%)
  SMART Message: Required tool smartctl not installed. Check --recommends
  ID-1: /dev/mmcblk0 maj-min: 179:0 model: SK64G size: 59.48 GiB block-size:
    physical: 512 B logical: 512 B tech: SSD serial: <filter> scheme: MBR
  ID-2: /dev/sda maj-min: 8:0 vendor: EDGE Tech model: SE847-V SSD
    size: 232.89 GiB block-size: physical: 512 B logical: 512 B speed: 6.0 Gb/s
    tech: SSD serial: <filter> fw-rev: 4D scheme: GPT
Partition:
  ID-1: / raw-size: 232.38 GiB size: 227.68 GiB (97.97%)
    used: 50.06 GiB (22.0%) fs: ext4 dev: /dev/sda2 maj-min: 8:2
  ID-2: /boot/efi raw-size: 512 MiB size: 511 MiB (99.80%)
    used: 6.1 MiB (1.2%) fs: vfat dev: /dev/sda1 maj-min: 8:1
Swap:
  Kernel: swappiness: 60 (default) cache-pressure: 100 (default)
  ID-1: swap-1 type: file size: 2 GiB used: 0 KiB (0.0%) priority: -2
    file: /swapfile
Sensors:
  System Temperatures: cpu: 51.0 C mobo: 50.0 C sodimm: SODIMM C gpu: radeon
    temp: 43.0 C
  Fan Speeds (RPM): cpu: 3202
Info:
  Processes: 293 Uptime: 1h 41m wakeups: 10 Memory: total: 16 GiB
  available: 15.52 GiB used: 2.39 GiB (15.4%) Init: systemd v: 249
  target: graphical (5) default: graphical tool: systemctl Compilers:
  gcc: 11.3.0 alt: 11/12 Packages: 2277 pm: dpkg pkgs: 2257 libs: 1102
  tools: apt,apt-get,aptitude,synaptic pm: flatpak pkgs: 20 Shell: Bash
  v: 5.1.16 running-in: gnome-terminal inxi: 3.3.28

This one still has Debian 12 on it.

Code:

System:
  Kernel: 6.1.0-10-amd64 arch: x86_64 bits: 64 compiler: gcc v: 12.2.0
    parameters: BOOT_IMAGE=/boot/vmlinuz-6.1.0-10-amd64
    root=UUID=2177d90c-5f53-4c31-b1dd-47fcbf52f092 ro quiet
  Desktop: GNOME v: 43.4 tk: GTK v: 3.24.37 wm: gnome-shell dm: GDM3 v: 43.0
    Distro: Debian GNU/Linux 12 (bookworm)
Machine:
  Type: Laptop System: Dell product: Latitude E7240 v: 00
    serial: <superuser required> Chassis: type: 9 serial: <superuser required>
  Mobo: Dell model: 0X9Y17 serial: <superuser required> BIOS: Dell v: A20
    date: 12/22/2016
Battery:
  ID-1: BAT0 charge: 15.7 Wh (92.4%) condition: 17.0/31.4 Wh (54.2%)
    volts: 12.2 min: 11.1 model: LGC-LGC2.8 DELL Y9HNT type: Li-ion
    serial: <filter> status: discharging
  Device-1: hidpp_battery_0 model: Logitech Wireless Mouse M325
    serial: <filter> charge: 55% (should be ignored) rechargeable: yes
    status: discharging
CPU:
  Info: model: Intel Core i7-4600U bits: 64 type: MT MCP arch: Haswell
    gen: core 4 level: v3 note: check built: 2013-15 process: Intel 22nm
    family: 6 model-id: 0x45 (69) stepping: 1 microcode: 0x26
  Topology: cpus: 1x cores: 2 tpc: 2 threads: 4 smt: enabled cache:
    L1: 128 KiB desc: d-2x32 KiB; i-2x32 KiB L2: 512 KiB desc: 2x256 KiB
    L3: 4 MiB desc: 1x4 MiB
  Speed (MHz): avg: 799 high: 800 min/max: 800/3300 scaling:
    driver: intel_cpufreq governor: schedutil cores: 1: 798 2: 800 3: 800 4: 800
    bogomips: 21550
  Flags: avx avx2 ht lm nx pae sse sse2 sse3 sse4_1 sse4_2 ssse3 vmx
  Vulnerabilities:
  Type: itlb_multihit status: KVM: VMX disabled
  Type: l1tf mitigation: PTE Inversion; VMX: conditional cache flushes, SMT
    vulnerable
  Type: mds mitigation: Clear CPU buffers; SMT vulnerable
  Type: meltdown mitigation: PTI
  Type: mmio_stale_data status: Unknown: No mitigations
  Type: retbleed status: Not affected
  Type: spec_store_bypass mitigation: Speculative Store Bypass disabled via
    prctl
  Type: spectre_v1 mitigation: usercopy/swapgs barriers and __user pointer
    sanitization
  Type: spectre_v2 mitigation: Retpolines, IBPB: conditional, IBRS_FW,
    STIBP: conditional, RSB filling, PBRSB-eIBRS: Not affected
  Type: srbds mitigation: Microcode
  Type: tsx_async_abort status: Not affected
Graphics:
  Device-1: Intel Haswell-ULT Integrated Graphics vendor: Dell driver: i915
    v: kernel arch: Gen-7.5 process: Intel 22nm built: 2013 ports: active: eDP-1
    empty: DP-1,HDMI-A-1,HDMI-A-2 bus-ID: 00:02.0 chip-ID: 8086:0a16
    class-ID: 0300
  Device-2: Microdia Integrated Webcam type: USB driver: uvcvideo
    bus-ID: 2-4:3 chip-ID: 0c45:64d2 class-ID: 0e02
  Display: wayland server: X.org v: 1.21.1.7 with: Xwayland v: 22.1.9
    compositor: gnome-shell driver: gpu: i915 display-ID: 0
  Monitor-1: eDP-1 model: AU Optronics 0x206c built: 2013 res: 1366x768
    dpi: 125 gamma: 1.2 size: 277x156mm (10.91x6.14") diag: 318mm (12.5")
    ratio: 16:9 modes: 1366x768
  API: OpenGL v: 4.6 Mesa 22.3.6 renderer: Mesa Intel HD Graphics 4400 (HSW
    GT2) direct-render: Yes
Audio:
  Device-1: Intel Haswell-ULT HD Audio vendor: Dell driver: snd_hda_intel
    v: kernel bus-ID: 00:03.0 chip-ID: 8086:0a0c class-ID: 0403
  Device-2: Intel 8 Series HD Audio vendor: Dell 8 driver: snd_hda_intel
    v: kernel bus-ID: 00:1b.0 chip-ID: 8086:9c20 class-ID: 0403
  API: ALSA v: k6.1.0-10-amd64 status: kernel-api tools: alsamixer,amixer
  Server-1: PipeWire v: 0.3.65 status: active with: 1: pipewire-pulse
    status: active 2: wireplumber status: active 3: pipewire-alsa type: plugin
    tools: pw-cat,pw-cli,wpctl
Network:
  Device-1: Intel Ethernet I218-LM vendor: Dell driver: N/A modules: e1000e
    port: f080 bus-ID: 00:19.0 chip-ID: 8086:155a class-ID: 0200
  Device-2: Qualcomm Atheros AR9485 Wireless Network Adapter vendor: Dell
    driver: ath9k v: kernel pcie: gen: 1 speed: 2.5 GT/s lanes: 1
    bus-ID: 02:00.0 chip-ID: 168c:0032 class-ID: 0280
  IF: wlp2s0 state: up mac: <filter>
RAID:
  Hardware-1: Intel 82801 Mobile SATA Controller [RAID mode] driver: ahci
    v: 3.0 port: f060 bus-ID: 00:1f.2 chip-ID: 8086:282a rev: N/A class-ID: 0104
Drives:
  Local Storage: total: 296.22 GiB used: 5.06 GiB (1.7%)
  SMART Message: Required tool smartctl not installed. Check --recommends
  ID-1: /dev/sda maj-min: 8:0 vendor: LITE-ON IT model: LMT-256M6M-HP
    size: 238.47 GiB block-size: physical: 512 B logical: 512 B speed: 6.0 Gb/s
    type: SSD serial: <filter> rev: 701 scheme: MBR
  ID-2: /dev/sdb maj-min: 8:16 type: USB vendor: PNY model: USB 3.0 FD
    size: 57.75 GiB block-size: physical: 512 B logical: 512 B type: N/A
    serial: <filter> rev: PMAP scheme: MBR
Partition:
  ID-1: / raw-size: 237.52 GiB size: 232.73 GiB (97.98%) used: 5.06 GiB (2.2%)
    fs: ext4 dev: /dev/sda1 maj-min: 8:1
Swap:
  Kernel: swappiness: 60 (default) cache-pressure: 100 (default)
  ID-1: swap-1 type: partition size: 976 MiB used: 0 KiB (0.0%) priority: -2
    dev: /dev/sda5 maj-min: 8:5
Sensors:
  System Temperatures: cpu: 48.0 C mobo: 34.0 C sodimm: SODIMM C
  Fan Speeds (RPM): cpu: 0
Info:
  Processes: 199 Uptime: 2m wakeups: 3 Memory: 7.66 GiB used: 1.3 GiB (16.9%)
  Init: systemd v: 252 target: graphical (5) default: graphical
  tool: systemctl Compilers: N/A Packages: pm: dpkg pkgs: 1608 libs: 941
  tools: apt,apt-get,gnome-software,synaptic Shell: Bash v: 5.2.15
  running-in: gnome-terminal inxi: 3.3.26

mrmazda · 07-17-2023, 11:56 PM

The 6540 is running an older OS version with Cinnamon desktop, running the display on X11. The 7240 is running Gnome desktop on display Wayland. These are very different systems. First thing I'd try is on the login screen selecting to run your Gnome session on X11 instead of Wayland. Wayland is newer technology that isn't mature enough for everybody's hardware yet. I only run my Debians with TDE on X11, and my Haswell desktop (7th gen Intel, like your i7) seems solid running 3 displays:

Code:

# inxi -CMz
Machine:
  Type: Desktop System: ASUS product: All Series v: N/A serial: N/A
  Mobo: ASUSTeK model: B85M-E v: Rev X.0x serial: <filter>
    UEFI: American Megatrends v: 3602 date: 04/04/2018
CPU:
  Info: dual core model: Intel Pentium G3220 bits: 64 type: MCP cache:
    L2: 512 KiB
  Speed (MHz): avg: 1900 min/max: 800/3000 cores: 1: 3000 2: 800
# inxi -GSaz --vs --zl --hostname
inxi 3.3.28-00 (2023-07-10)
System:
  Host: ab85m Kernel: 6.1.0-10-amd64 arch: x86_64 bits: 64 compiler: gcc
    v: 12.2.0 parameters: BOOT_IMAGE=/vmlinuz root=LABEL=<filter> noresume
    ipv6.disable=1 net.ifnames=0 consoleblank=0 preempt=full mitigations=off
  Desktop: Trinity v: R14.1.0 tk: Qt v: 3.5.0 info: kicker wm: Twin v: 3.0
    vt: 7 dm: 1: TDM 2: XDM Distro: Debian GNU/Linux 12 (bookworm)
Graphics:
  Device-1: Intel Xeon E3-1200 v3/4th Gen Core Processor Integrated Graphics
    vendor: ASUSTeK driver: i915 v: kernel arch: Gen-7.5 process: Intel 22nm
    built: 2013 ports: active: DP-1,HDMI-A-2,HDMI-A-3 empty: HDMI-A-1,VGA-1
    bus-ID: 00:02.0 chip-ID: 8086:0402 class-ID: 0300
  Display: x11 server: X.Org v: 1.21.1.7 driver: X: loaded: modesetting
    unloaded: fbdev,vesa dri: crocus gpu: i915 display-ID: :0 screens: 1
  Screen-1: 0 s-res: 3600x2640 s-dpi: 120 s-size: 762x558mm (30.00x21.97")
    s-diag: 944mm (37.18")
  Monitor-1: DP-1 pos: primary,bottom-l model: Acer K272HUL serial: <filter>
    built: 2018 res: 2560x1440 hz: 60 dpi: 109 gamma: 1.2
    size: 598x336mm (23.54x13.23") diag: 686mm (27") ratio: 16:9 modes:
    max: 2560x1440 min: 720x400
  Monitor-2: HDMI-A-2 mapped: HDMI-2 pos: top-right model: Dell P2213
    serial: <filter> built: 2012 res: 1680x1050 hz: 60 dpi: 90 gamma: 1.2
    size: 473x296mm (18.62x11.65") diag: 558mm (22") ratio: 16:10 modes:
    max: 1680x1050 min: 720x400
  Monitor-3: HDMI-A-3 mapped: HDMI-3 pos: top-left model: NEC EA243WM
    serial: <filter> built: 2011 res: 1920x1200 hz: 60 dpi: 94 gamma: 1.2
    size: 519x324mm (20.43x12.76") diag: 612mm (24.1") ratio: 16:10 modes:
    max: 1920x1200 min: 640x480
  API: OpenGL v: 4.6 Mesa 22.3.6 renderer: Mesa Intel HD Graphics (HSW GT1)
    direct-render: Yes

LinuxMonday · 07-18-2023, 08:11 PM

I did as suggested and have worked on the 7240/with Gnome/X11 machine for a short time this evening - with no lockups or other problems noted so far while doing the same things it was locking up on before.

I will play around with it some more this evening and see if it stays good. I will report again tomorrow.

LinuxMonday · 07-19-2023, 08:35 AM

It worked without a single problem last night, and I did everything I could think of to test it. I'm so pleased!

Later today I'm going to install it with X11 on the 6540 laptop (my normal daily driver) and see how that goes. I'll reply with a report after I use that for a day or so, as well.

LinuxMonday · 07-19-2023, 11:23 PM

oK - I've run it on my daily driver machine for the last several hours and had no problems whatsoever. So sticking with X11 was the trick

Thank you so much!

mrmazda · 07-19-2023, 11:34 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by LinuxMonday

Thank you so much!

You are welcome to use the provided post links for that!