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Originally posted by Config Somebody asked for a comparison between Gentoo and Arch Linux, so I took some spare time to create one - and you're saying, I shouldn't have done so

yeah but have you used arch?

no

then how can you compare?

i have (granted my gentoo experieince was a year ago). i would compare but there is really no point to because whatever i will say gets rebuffed anyway by gentoo users who have not even tried a i686 optimized distro.

anyway my time is obviously wasted posting to this thread anymore.

sarcastic

as gentoo is obviously so much more superior to any linux distro out there. i mean how could it not be? it has no bugs at all....

/sarcastic

goodbye

In that case Sarah, I thnik Windows ME is the best Linux out there

Originally posted by sarah31 ..i would compare but there is really no point to because whatever i will say gets rebuffed anyway by gentoo users who have not even tried a i686 optimized distro...

By referring to an individual in the plural it sounds like you're displacing some bad experiences and aggression onto a guy who is *a* Gentoo user and might not merit all that anger by himself.

People can do research and post their impressions without having hands-on experience and, if they're upfront about a lack of hands-on experience, what's the problem? Just disagree from your superior vantage point. No reason to get </sarcastic> and disgusted sounding about 'wasting your time'.

People aren't going to be swayed from their distro or towards another by hostility. Play up the pros and maybe they'll be curious enough to try it and, if it's better - better for them - they'll use it.

Or at least, that's my reaction. For most of this thread I was getting pretty curious about trying it. Still will, but I've got this Gentoo disk already downloaded and burned that I haven't even tried yet.

Then check out the live cd, if you like it you can download the disc to your drive and continue playing with it, f you don't like it it's just another cd with useless information on it

MasterC has LOTS of CD's with useless info on them, but the Arch Live CD is definitely not one of them.

OT:
Have you ever tried talking about yourself in the third person? Try it, it's fun.

Cool

digiot wonders about an Arch Linux live CD. He had no idea there was one. He thinks he could always use a third live CD.

Forgot to say - it *is* fun.

Um. I just went to the Arch Linux site and it killed my browser. And when I popped Mozilla back up my fluxbox tab was in the wrong place. Had to restart Mozilla again to fix it. That's not encouraging.

http://amlug.org/new-projects/live-c...g-live-cd.html

Weird, I must have visited the site in like any browser you can possibly use and it always showed up without any problems...

Are you sure it was caused by that site?

Well, I think it was the wrong link but as soon as I hit it *zoop* bye-bye to Mozilla 1.3. It was the upper-left 'Get a CD' link that goes offsite. But I hit the top-right 'Download' link the second time around, followed a couple more, and I'm downloading it now. The Arch page itself, loaded fine - just the link on it was goofy.

Thanks arielext - I went stumbling around anyway, but thanks.

I won't be able to try it right away though - I'm trying to straighten out my Celeron box. But soon.

[QUOTE]Originally posted by digiot
[B]By referring to an individual in the plural it sounds like you're displacing some bad experiences and aggression onto a guy who is *a* Gentoo user and might not merit all that anger by himself.[quote]

oh? what individual am i refrring to ? you when i made reference to gentoo users i meant gentoo users. not you specifically.

People can do research and post their impressions without having hands-on experience and, if they're upfront about a lack of hands-on experience, what's the problem? Just disagree from your superior vantage point. No reason to get </sarcastic> and disgusted sounding about 'wasting your time'.

yeah sure but that is what you would call a an unscientific work or pretty well an opinion. i never said i had i superior vantage point but do have experience with both systems and for many reasons i prefer arch to gentoo. the problem with your "review" is that you discount a distro without even being aware of "the facts" or having even tried it to know if "the facts" you use to discount it even mean anything.

sound disgusted? feh i AM disgusted. i have enough experience on other forums to be so sick of the standard gentoo zealotry that pervades almost ever corner of every general (and even soem specialized) linux forum. gentoo is a good distro sure but it is not for everyone and it DEFINITELY is NOT the best distro out there. neither is arch. EVERY linux distro is fraught with bugs and glitches. linux in general is not perfect..NO os is. so proliferating talk that makes gentoo or whatever sound godlike in it performance is just a pure waste of time.

People aren't going to be swayed from their distro or towards another by hostility. Play up the pros and maybe they'll be curious enough to try it and, if it's better - better for them - they'll use it.

am i trying to sway people to arch? you are trying to sway people away from it without even trying and being able to base your opinion on an actual test on it. i know pros and cons of it very well but no one asked me for pros and cons. i am defending against wankers like you that want to discount it from the linux ranks based solely on your opinion that nothing is better than gentoo

Or at least, that's my reaction. For most of this thread I was getting pretty curious about trying it. Still will, but I've got this Gentoo disk already downloaded and burned that I haven't even tried yet.

have fun. MasterC please delete my account i won't be back.

Sarah, no need to get upset over a few users reactions. In my other post I sorta described some of that as 'normal'. Let it ride, don't sweat the small stuff

And as a side note, I'm just MasterC Jeremy is the Site Admin, and generally we don't delete accounts. Feel free to come and go, it's an open community even to those that from time to time don't wish to participate. I'm sorry you feel this way currently.

Please understand that people are going to say things occasionally that won't agree with your views. It's that which makes us human. It's that which makes us members of the Linux community. We all have choice, and with that comes bias-ism, regardless of it's roots. No worries. For those interested they will seek out what is available to them (such as ArchLinux). For those who are not, they won't have in the first place anyway. All we can do is provide assistance along the way to all who ask.



Cool

well fine if you won't erase my account then so be it. i will not be back.

i expected an arch forum to be about arch not aboutn gentoo, debian, mandrake or other distros/oses.

i don't sweat the small stuff but i also don't tolerate os/distro bashing by individuals who have absolutely no concept of how other distributions are.

there are other issues i have with this board as well. small isues but since i am pissed i don't have time to deal with them i am busy with arch i am busy with JL. LQ will do just fine without me digiot can easy fill the void since he is so wise.

This is, after all, just one thread..
I'm sure thie forum will mature with Arch-specific questions & answers.

Exactly. You need to simmah naah....

There is a new distro thread so everybody has to come check it out. A lot of folks have never heard of Arch so they react with fear and uncertainty.

In a perfect world these people would keep their mouths shut but it is not always so. Rather than pout and give up on this forum after what...a week or so...just ignore the trollers and try to help people with Arch.

As camelrider said, this thread (and by extension Arch...) is a novelty to the many thousands of users of LQ. Give it a bit, and the novelty will wear off, and it will mature.