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Old 04-24-2024, 11:11 AM   #16
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the CD is not "big" enough to store anything, and actually an OS like MS Windows, or a software like LibreOffice do not really fit on a DVD. By using an SSD, you can get much more storage capacity (space) within a smaller (space) area - not to speak about the speed.
Additionally we have a lot of remote storage in the cloud (space?), we do not need to keep these things at home any more. You cannot put an optical device into a smartphone.
When you say Libreoffice maybe you mean a version of Microsoft office 365(about 3gb+ for some versions)? :-) I've noticed android SDK and Visual Studio SDKs can get pretty huge with .net+libraries

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Old 04-24-2024, 11:18 AM   #17
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A lot of drive or disk failures were dust related. In you operate in a clean room you should be good . I found optical sensors picked up dust when a drive was open, and over as few years, scratches appear on the lens. Dust also got on optical surfaces when things were put down. I don't rate them.

Just because you bought a dodgy usb key, don't give up on spinning rust, SSDs or any other form of conventional drive. There's a reason your optical drive you revere has an ISA bus: Not many agree with you!
 
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I recently had to discard a bunch of CDs which I had written in the late 90s/early 2000s because they had become unreadable.
What color were the CDs? At one time, it was a way to tell the quality of the CD-R. Gold/Silver was considered good, while green/blue were the cheap CDs.
 
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What color were the CDs? At one time, it was a way to tell the quality of the CD-R. Gold/Silver was considered good, while green/blue were the cheap CDs.
It didn't seem to have made any difference here. It was probably more likely because I used to write them at the fastest speeds my hardware could handle.
 
Old 04-25-2024, 04:02 AM   #20
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I recently had to discard a bunch of CDs which I had written in the late 90s/early 2000s because they had become unreadable.
The first generation of CD-Rs used Cyanine dye, and didn't last long. Phthalocyanine and azo dyes are much more durable.

However, both CD-Rs and writable DVDs degrade rather quickly if exposed to sunlight. The reflective layer of a CD-R also tends to flake off if exposed to humidity.
 
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The first generation of CD-Rs used Cyanine dye, and didn't last long. Phthalocyanine and azo dyes are much more durable.

However, both CD-Rs and writable DVDs degrade rather quickly if exposed to sunlight. The reflective layer of a CD-R also tends to flake off if exposed to humidity.
No matter WHAT your media, there is always an advantage in storing it cool, dark, and dry.
 
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IMHO, the dyes matter less. Optical media are exposed to anywhere they are stored; HDDs & SSDs are enclosed; NVMEs are not affected by normal dust and hard to get at. There's also the fact that in a 4.7GB optical dvd, I could fit 4-6×2TB nvmes.

I don't think they'll die, due to audio & film or series demand for merchandise. So writers & readers will exist. To me, your penchant for optical storage is a bit like the valve/transistor thing in the 1960s. Responsible persisted in specifying valves for audio (and indeed some tv parts) long after transistors had proven themselves superior & better at the job. They never woke up & smelled the coffee.
 
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IMHO, the dyes matter less.
It is common knowledge in the industry that the Cyanine dye degraded quite quickly. It was only used early on.
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Optical media are exposed to anywhere they are stored;
You can simply store them in a box and make sure it isn't subjected to high temperatures.

UV is the issue. I accidentally left a box of blank CD-Rs sitting on the window sill for over a year, and I was sure they were ruined. But it turned out that the transparent plastic box must have excellent UV blocking properties, because they were fine. A few discs left beside the box were visibly discoloured and unusable.

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HDDs & SSDs are enclosed; NVMEs are not affected by normal dust and hard to get at.
HDDs are quite durable but as I mentioned earlier, consumer-grade SSDs and NVMEs are rated for 1 year of offline storage, no more. After that, electron leakage means you absolutely will lose data.

Flash memory simply isn't an offline storage medium.
 
  


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