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Dito:

Thank you for the article BASH.

Also, for the link to the "Beginners Bash Guide."

http://www.tldp.org/LDP/Bash-Beginne...ers-Guide.html

OMG, one could spend a lifetime learning emacs and still only scratch the surface. I'd never tried the gdb integration before. I've been missing out, it's awesome.

Thanks for prompting me to try it.

Just addition in Math Precedence which I learns in my school days,

BODMAS, which stands for Brackets, Orders or pOwers, Division, Multiplication, Addition, Subtraction.

Good tips, thanks. Just googling by "divisible by 7" presents as the first result an excerpt from some site:

This other site presents yet an weirder one:

Math is just weird.

I still think that canned responses only go as far as the questions added to the canned response. Simply posting the canned response will never be successful if members are not asking questions as well.

As far as burnout goes, I think that canned responses only make it worse for every one.

Whether scripted responses are used or individual members create their own messages to use when necessary, nothing will change without a concerted effort to change the board's culture. Whether it is because of the belief spoon-feeding is helpful, desire to accumulate reputation points, or other reasons, those people will continue to do it. That means Jeremy and the moderators educating current members by PM or e-mail when they habitually spoon-feed. Is it viable? Can the board's culture be changed? Maybe, maybe not. The point is, unless it does happen, things will not change. Personally, I doubt the culture can be changed, because it has developed over about fifteen years and is deeply ingrained in the habits of members. So I am not optimistic about the initiative's success.

Ah, thank you.

Yes, poorly worded. I was referring all of the members involved in trying to resolve this, not "all members".

Great article. Though I know most of this, it is nice to see a well written article for beginning shell scripting, and I can see this of great use to new scripters.

in a similar thread.

Hi...

This is something that Jeremy and the moderators are going to have to take charge of and lead. With as many members as we have, I think even getting the majority in agreement and on the same page would be next to impossible.

Regards...

It needs to be less "canned", i.e. the response needs to be an attitude shared by a significant group of members rather than this generic message being posted by a few people (which may ironically lead to those few "burning out" rather quickly) and it needs to be directed at the OP. Every member involved needs their own spin on this, but every member needs to be basically saying the same thing.

"You haven't provided enough info" should be enough of a response to a typical one sentence "Help!!!" post. You could link to the FAQ and provide a tremendous amount of info and guidelines on posting etiquette, but "Help!!!" isn't going to read it. "Help!!!" may however ready a few words which get straight to the point.

However - and this goes for canned responses as well - if you don't have all members on the same page, then it's all pretty pointless as there is not much sense in you posting such a message if four willing spoon feeders follow you with their replies.

What are you referring to as twaddle? The canned response? If yes, then could you tell specifically how can it be made better?

I have literally given up replying to posts that can be answered on Google.
I have better shit to do.

Hi rtmistler...

Thank you for volunteering and trying to help combat this issue. I would agree that by itself, I don't feel canned responses are going to help very much, at least in the short term.

Regards...

Nice job/work here , rtmistler . Thanks for volunteering.

From the walmart greeter member of LQ who tries his best to put new users at ease, when possible.

When they ignore me. No damage done here. Just self inflicted wounds is all I see. Because. I am not the one with the problem.

Keep up the good work, from another bro.

Edit: Guilty raises his hand. Just the spoonfeeding. Not the rep or post count. I just try and link them to what other members are saying since I figure they have no clue on searching word terms like "md5sum" or whatever.

I give a lot of benefit of the doubt to folks I think are not as sharp as this uneducated, linux using scooter tramp.

Who already has a rep, even in the the real world.

The elephant in the living room being missed time and time again here is that the user who can't be bothered to construct a properly worded post, won't be bothered to read that either. Plus, the way it's worded, it just comes across as generic "customer services" twaddle. It in fact helps to perpetuate the idea that the forum is some kind of helpdesk.

As I said in the thread, it's a step in the right direction, but it needs to be non generic. It needs a lot of long standing members to get on board with this and just agree what the problem is and how to tackle it. When all is said and done, it's members who answer these questions and it's members who need to decide on the best course of action. Without the generic reeled off spiel, the OP of such threads needs to be informed that their post is lacking info and that they are unlikely to get any more help until the provide this or research their problem. Generic scripted stuff, will simply be ignored or "filtered out" (like all generic scripted stuff).

Finally, it's no good in blaming the new user or attempting to "educate" them. Those answering these questions and spoonfeeding (probably to gain reputation) are doing the real damage and encouraging this.