Weapons, Cowboy at School in US from early age?
 

Hi,

It is new in US. More weapons during education.
teacher allowed to have weapons.

Weapons, Cowboy at School in US from early age?

This scene that they see handguns from early age is earliest introduction to american criminality. Russia vs US, none is better. They forgot human values.

In the 1950's, schools had varsity marksmanship teams. And, this was the one you wanted to be on, because "any jock can be 'a jock.'" Marksmanship requires skill. One of our previous Supreme Court justices was justifiably proud that he was. Of course you carried your gun to school with you every day, and carefully placed the container in your locker.

What I seriously worry about is: people who own a handgun but know nothing about it, other than what they see in the movies. I see that Tennessee is proposing a law which would make "gun safety" a mandatory class in school. I think that's a wonderful idea. Because, weapons do not have an "undo" button, and if you kill yourself or someone else you get no "bonus life."

When my sons were in the Boy Scouts one of the things that the Boy Scouts taught was training with rifles and shotguns. The boys were 12 to 14 years old. I helped the scoutmaster with the lesson on .22 rifles by loaning the use of one of my .22s and supervising the firing range. The next spring several Boy Scout troops got together and taught the boys to shoot clay pigeons with shotguns. My son did very well because I had already taught him to use a shotgun on still targets in the woodlot that I owned. I also taught him how to lead a moving target by letting him play a shooting game in an arcade until he got bored with it.

This attitude toward firearms is very common in the rural USA. Teaching children to use firearms is a part of being a parent just like teaching them to drive a car. In urban areas in the USA people are horrified by the idea of teaching children firearm use and safety. Thus you get such urban legends as the original post describes.

For what it is worth my father gave me my first rifle when I was 12. He taught me firearm safety and marksmanship in an abandoned sand quarry on my grandmother's property.

Not 'new' here... We used to drive to school with a rifle hanging in the back window of truck. Or in the trunk, or... No big deal. Part of life. Until a certain segment of our population became 'scared'. Now they are gun free zones (or otherwise know as target rich environments) . Glad to see some turn around on that though. Hopefully we can help the kids get 'educated' that firearms aren't bad. At least hunter's safety courses helps with that.

In EU they see firearms differently and bad.

Apparently the law in Michigan recognizes that parents are responsible for teaching their children proper gun use and safety.

"The parents of the teenager who killed four students in the 2021 school shooting in Oxford, Michigan, were each sentenced to 10 to 15 years in prison Tuesday, weeks after being convicted of manslaughter."

"James and Jennifer Crumbley, who each had faced up to 15 years in prison, have already been imprisoned for more than two years since their arrest in a Detroit warehouse days after the shooting. Though they were tried separately, their sentencing took place together in an Oakland County courtroom."

"They are the first parents to be held criminally responsible for a mass school shooting committed by their child as the nation continues to grapple with the scourge of gunfire on campus and mass shootings."

https://www.cnn.com/us/live-news/jam...-24/index.html

Speaking of Cowboys and Guns - For a time I lived ~5 miles outside a town in Western Colorado population 180. One day I visited a friend and neighbor of mine just 2 miles away and as I entered his home ( kitchen door of course) his 6 year old Son playfully drew his cap gun and "Pow Pow-ed" me. Jamie picked up his Son, shook him a bit, and firmly and a bit crossly told him, "We NEVER point a gun, ANY gun, at something or someone unless we intend to kill it so there'd better be a REALLY good reason. Think first!".

REAL Cowboys are absolutely responsible with guns because they are dangerous but necessary tools. The people that give "cowboy" a wild, irresponsible connotation are the businessmen who show up during Hunting Season with expensive guns and a case of liquor expecting to "drive to a trophy". Ugh!

Oh parents are responsible for teaching their kids, that has been the way its been since time began.... BUT, they should not be criminally responsible for there kids doing something bad (unless they were in on the event of course). Even kids should be held responsible for their own actions. We live in a society now that feels it is always "someone else's fault" which is sad. My dad always said "When you point a finger at someone, there is three other fingers pointing back at you". Personal responsibly. The cowboy way -- so to speak.

As others have pointed out, hunting and fishing were all part of the culture.
Within the last year or two I had to explain that to a young woman in a local pub.
In s sad sort of way, I'm glad I am on the far side of the curve. The younger generations seem to lack even an ounce of commonsense and, I fear, will drive the country to ruin.

I have no problem with people who responsibly use guns for home protection, hunting, or practice at the range. I think the issue is that all too often people do not get the mental health support that they need if they become mentally ill, and guns are readily available for anyone.
I think better background checks and mental health support is an idea.

The State of California had, at one time, a string of mental hospitals and some with "farms" outside of the cities where they were located. They were closed down during the 1970s. In the last election a bill was passed to rebuild mental care facilities. We'll see how that goes. The government is completely corrupt. Nothing seems to get done, yet the money disappears.

That sad incident where the movie actor killed his production staff is an example of how to have a system that is dangerous.

If one used the NRA teaching the actor would have been trained on the weapon. He would have watched the person giving him the weapon and then inspect it himself. How did Hollywood figure that they could bypass a safety method of every checks.

I'd like every student to learn the safe handling of dangerous items from cars to gas to knives to saws and firearms. I feel that RRR is only good if you live long enough to use it.

My brother-in-law was attacked in Chicago and had to go on disability. Some of the schools are dangerous.

If I had my way they'd ban violent movies, games and such and teach respect for life.

I'm a NRA life member.

Not all games... Mario Brothers or racing planes/cars, figuring out puzzles, mazes and such are fun (Remember Zork?) ... But those involving taking human life in first shooter games, well, if not ban them, at least 21 or older to play... I see this type of games 'hardening' the mind to such blood and violence the more realistic they become. Remember kid's minds are mush < 21 years of age and are still absorbing/learning what they see/feel/hear and going to be part of them for the rest of their life. Shooting robots and non-humans is one thing.... but human life is quite another. In real life you also only have 'one' life... Not game over, replay. Often wonder where kids get these things put in their heads and this has to be one such source. Movies is another thing, because you aren't pulling the trigger ... but watching. May give you 'ideas' though. Not saying it's a good thing, just different as you are outside looking in, rather than being part of the action, making decision to fire, to kill as with first person shooters. My 2 cents.

Yeah, but first rule "Never point your gun at anything you do not intend to shoot." should be drilled into everyone's head even in Holly Wood. No exceptions. Solves a lot of accidental shootings. Then 'Treat every gun as it loaded" which goes back to rule #1. And then my rule of never 'play' with guns which goes back to rule #2.... Seems obvious, but obviously common sense is lacking out there.

Yes, they could have used a better dude gun and not a real gun.
The process for a fake gun should still be as a real gun.

Cause all you should know is it's loaded until you know.

Registration of guns and gun owners does not, of itself, infringe upon the right to keep and bear arms,
just like registering cars and drivers does not infringe on the ability to own and operate a motor vehicle.

Some argue that registration would give the government the ability to confiscate firearms by knowing where the guns are and who owns them, but that can’t happen because “…the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed.” Registering guns doesn’t make the Second Amendment go away.

Firearm registration would certainly be useful in the investigation of crimes where guns are used. It may even be possible to use the data to help identify individuals who should not be allowed to own guns. It is those individuals, after all, who are shooting our children in their schoolrooms.

We The People need to do stop arguing about whether or not we should register guns and gun owners and start discussing how best to do that. Starting yesterday.

Perhaps the NRA could take a lead role in identifying how to do that. As a Life Member, I’d be more inclined to contribute to the NRA if they begin working on solutions.

I want to get this out there:
Registration of guns and gun owners does not, of itself, infringe upon the right to keep and bear arms.

(I am also an NRA Life Member)