LXer: Linux and Newbies: Some Cold, Hard Reality
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The cold, hard realities of introducing newbies and Linux to each other. Read More... |
Bravo! This attitude is what we need.
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What disappointed me is all the flames the guy gets for taking a proper stand. No, Linux isn't for everybody and we should never assume that the intention of Linux was to replace Windows. Linux is what it is, and if you don't like it and don't want to invest the time into learning it, go use Windows or OSX. They are both perfectly good alternatives.
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For anyone espousing that Linux should be a viable desktop OS to compeat with Windows for everyday usage, this editorial is sheer rubbish. We do not expect users to be TV experts and read a book on how to use a TV, just to watch entertainment. You buy a new TV, bring it home, plug in the cables, and viola! You watch your shows.
Why should we expect users to need all kinds of training and preliminary documentation-reading just to operate their computer, which is essentially just a glorified house-hold appliance (well, dozens of appliances wrapped up into one). It should be intuitive and easy to use for a simple task such as watching a video. My Mac is, and most people who grew up with Windows learned to use it more or less by trial and error, so why should Linux require that the user is so educated before they can even watch a movie or listen to music? Why does Microsoft's out-dated and now unsupported WMP 9 work better on my Mac than Mplayer does? This is far and away one of the most asinine quotes I've ever read right here: Quote:
If you think like the author of the article, go pour all your support into OpenBSD. That is a totally self-service OS. The documentation is spectacular and you can easily teach yourself how to use it, if you are willing to do a lot of reading. Questions about how to use simple things are generally met with hostility, particularly when they're questions that could have been answered by reading. Most importantly, however, the OpenBSD developers expressly are not developing the software for the masses, they're developing it for themselves. If you give them a suggestion for how to make things easier, and it doesn't fit with their Vision(tm) of "how things should be designed", you'll be laughed off at best, or harshly ridiculed. Now personally, I love OpenBSD because it does everything I want and I can teach myself how to do just about anything with it due to the excellent documentation, yet I would rarely recommend OpenBSD as an OS for anyone to use. If "Linux" (meaning all the distributions, the related projects, the users, the advocates, etc) are serious about "making Linux main-stream" then they need to get on board with designing software for the users not for the developers themselves. This is a very tough change in mindset since most of the contributors to OSS projects are doing it for their own enjoyment and because the software they're building is something that they wanted personally. They don't have any vision about how any other users might user it, because they're writing it for themselves, so of course everything they're doing makes sense! You can't have it both ways. Either admit that Linux is a niche OS (like OpenBSD) that's written by developers, for developers, or tout Linux as the bright and shining savior of the world to rescue consumers from the eeeeeeeeeeevil Microsoft, but in that case get used to thinking how "idiot" users think and give up the idea that users can be "trained" to think about the applications in the same way that developers do. |
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Distributions like Xandros and Linspire do so, and they have my blessing. That model should define the gray area between the mindless drones of Windows, and the intelligentsia of the free software movement. |
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As a PS, why is the response to so many Linux questions "go find a HOW-TO" or "go buy a book"? This is what software documentation exists for. If the documentation that comes with the software is so unusable, then clearly there is a deficiency with the documentation, not with the user who can't get the program working without buying a book. |
I think the main point is that Linux, speaking as a distribution, is a huge affair. Therefore it is complicated by necessity. Windows on the other hand contains virtually nothing in terms of applications. If you think about what comes on three linux CD's and then compare that with how many CD's you would need to install the same applications on Windows - well, there simply isn't any comparison! Also think about how many times Windows would need to be restarted with that many application installs and the mind boggles!
Yes, Linux is complicated, but it is COMPLETE! |
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Well, good job! Go on helping the world see that they must remain ignorant and complain bitterly in order to find the true happiness that you know so well. You really know the secret to success! |
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Windows does not, out of the box, play DVDs. It does not show Flash in many configurations. (And, btw, several Linux distros *do* come with Flash out of the box.) It will not play some versions of music files. You have to install all the applications that allow that. It plays .wmv and .wma files, sure, but even then, "out of the box," for several years you haven't been able to play Windows Media for version 9 or above. You have to download an update. But in any case, so what. Linux plays .ogg. (In an alternate universe we could have a proprietary format that only plays on *nix-ish systems and then claim that it "just works" out of the box too.) Now, if we want to get really nit-picky with the media thirsty user and briefly cover practical matters, I could rattle off a list of video codecs in common use today that, besides taking up a full screen just to list, require you to visit dozens of web sites to download, then install each individual one (and then reboot) ... if you want to do so in a completely legal manner. (Obviously alternatives that aren't strictly legal in the US exist, but we're talking about "out of the box" here.) Does real media or Quicktime now come with Windows "out of the box"? How about all the Indeo codecs? Tried playing an DivX/XviD video with a fresh Windows install lately? Oh, and shall we talk about drivers? The last Windows system I built for someone required more than an hour of installation, multiple reboots, then manual configuration just to get the sound card, video (at anything other than the basic, non-3D accelerated level), networking, and even the blasted monitor to work properly. And then I did more configuring to make it work the way the user wanted. Windows systems require at least as much configuration as a Linux system. Doing so on a OSS based system is (or can be) somewhat harder, at least in a legal sense, for reasons every FOSS proponent could detail at length, but the basic requirements for making a Linux and Windows system function the way a user wants are quite similar. This is a problem of perception. Most Windows users never actually configure their system or even install Windows at all. They buy a system with Windows already installed and configured (and they still have to do separate things to get DVDs, a lot of video formats, etc. working if they want that and aren't buying a system with those non-out-of-the-box options installed as well.) A number of the so-called "problems" with Linux are only problems because a) users can't find all the great deals on a pre-configured Linux system, and b) the legal and business worlds have conspired to make configuring a system based on freedom much harder. Quote:
People are confused and disillusioned by "options" because that's what they've been taught. Hell, give me one processor type and speed, one hard drive size, one printer, one everything. I just can't tolerate all these choices!!! Feh. |
"get there first then say" and it is pretty obvious by what ways it can be achieved ... if not , all we can have is a dumb society full of well taught "options" and i suspect that people are actually not willing to see an undumbed society , they cant stand the sight of it ... an undumbed society makes them optional(no enclosing double quotes though) ...
btw , i always used bsplayer and zoom player in windows and for some reasons , i wouldnt want to install them on others machines ... . |
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"Books are how I got where I am. Books are how many geeks got to be geeks."
Quote from Pete's article. Worked for me, too. Books got me a job, books is where you get information, and most of all, reliable one. Nuff said. |
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