SeaMonkey Quits on it's own!
 

Hi all,

Is anybody else having this problem? I have had SeaMonkey just quit on it's own while I am surfing. Does anyone have any idea as to why that is
happening and if there is a cure? It is pretty annoying when you have three or
four tabs open and all of a sudden you are looking at the desktop instead of the site you were surfing.

Any help or suggestions would be very much appreciated!

Check X logs, system logs
(post relevant part)
File a bug report.

Try upgrading or downgrading seamonkey

Thanks Amani, I appreciate your help, I am new to linux so I was unable to check
the logs etc as you suggested. I am running SeaMonkey 1.11 and did download version
1.14 but I don't think Puppy installed it. I am running Puppy from a USB drive, before
that I ran it from a CD and it worked fine from there, I don't see how that could make
the difference.

I'll keep my fingers crossed and maybe somebody will come up with a fix :-)

Seamonkey doesn't do that here, but I'm running Puppy from a full install to HD.

A few more details about your system might be nice, like how much RAM you have and how you have Puppy set up. Offhand, it sounds like you're running into a resource limitation of some sort.

A couple of notes on Seamonkey, BTW: Puppy comes with 1.11, but the current stable version is 1.14. If you tell Seamonkey to check for updates, it can download and install the new version for you.

There can be confusion if you go to the Mozilla Add-ons site to install extensions. An assortment of Seamonkey add-ons fail to install, with an error message about an install script not being present. The problem is that there are two flavors of SM extensions. One flavor is for older 1.X versions of SM (and also work in the Mozilla Suite and Netscape 7.X). The others are built for the in-development Seamonkey 2.0 release (currently at Alpha 3, and works fine in Puppy). SM 2.0 incorporates the extension management code used in Firefox and Thunderbird, and extensions built for that environment have a different format.
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Dennis

Sea Monkey Quits
 

Hi Dennis,

Thanks for your response! I did download 1.14 but so far
I have been unable to install it. Sea Monkey did not give me that option.
I have noticed Sea Monkey stumbles and sometimes quits when gxine pops
up uninvited. I am running Puppy on a 4 GB USB drive and it is showing about 800MB of memory. The Laptop I use has 2GB memory.

Thanks again Dennis, your help is very much appreciated by this newbee:-)

Okay, shecking a little, memory failed me. Seamoneky can be told to check for updates weekly or monthly in Edit/Preferences, and will download it to where you specify. From that point, installation is manual. I put the update in /root/my-applications.

It installs by default to /usr/local/seamonkey, with a link the the executable in /usr/bin. A little fiddling is required, as Puppy puts the default version in something like /usr/local/seamonkey_1.1.1, and the menu entries still point to the old version. I did manual adjustment and removed the Seamonkey_1.1.1 directory.

You can also get the Seamonkey 2.0a3 version for Linux, and it runs fine. The biggest difference under the hood is the new extension manager code.

I haven't had SM quit when gxine pops up, because I haven't tried to use it to view video (which is my guess as to why gxine is invoking.)

I'm curious about the memory it is showing. Puppy should see all 2GB of RAM on the laptop. Are you sure the 800MB you see is RAM, or might it be available space in the file system?

One thing you might try is invoking SM from an rxvt terminal windom. Open rxvt, type seamonkey, and hit enter. SM should invoke. If it crashes, you may see useful debug info in the rxvt window.

You might also want to sign up and post your question at the Puppy Community Forums, at http://puppylinux.org/community. There's a large and helpful community there.
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Dennis

hi all,
I have the same problem, I'm running puppy 4.1.2 ( HD install)on an old laptop with 128 mb ram, 2gb hd and 366 pentium II processor.
I heard the ram could be an issue, how can I fix that without upgrading the ram?
thanks in advance

You have an HD install? How big a swap file do you have?

Linux is a virtual memory system, and will consider memory to be RAM plus the size of the swap file. It divides RAM in pages, and keeps track of what is in which page. When more physical RAM is needed for soemthing than is free, it will swap RAM pages that weren't recently used to the swap file to make room. If something tries to access a page that was swapped out, a "page fault" is generated and the page is swapped back in. This happens transparently to you and your applications.

You may need a bigger swap file, or to create one if you don't have one.

Are you also having the problem while trying to watch streaming video, with Gxine being called to do it? There have been discussions of thet on the Puppy forums, and you might wish to check there.
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Dennis

Hi Dennis, thank you for your answer.
I was wrong about the hd installation, I boot from cd, than a file called pup_412.sfs is loaded from hd.
with streaming videos no problem.
I have this issue when I try to open emails with big screen shots, 8mb for example.
I just installed seamonkey 1.1.15, but it's still quitting.
If I use the hardware monitor I see the free ram decreasing until SM quits.

SeaMonkey Quits
 

Hi,

Thank you for your reply, I am still having the same problem,and it happens mainly when I have 3 or 4 tabs open. I am not aware that I activate the INS key so I really don't think that is the problem here. I have downloaded the latest version of SM, but being a newbie, I don't know how to install it. If you could give me the command line for doing that I would really appreciate it.
Thanks again for your suggestion,

Regards,
Andy

This happened to me today. I'm running 4.0 from the live CD on an old HP ze4560 laptop (512MB ram). I think SM might get stressed when running lots of windows/tabs. I had a total of 8 tabs open on both desktops plus was carrying on 3 IM chats in Pidgin. Fine for a while then SM stopped on both desktops. (The IM session remained.)

I just restarted and was a bit less enthusiastic with my surfing -- left one desktop for browsing and the other for local word -- and all has gone well.

Hope this helps.

Hi Spongedaddy,

Thank you for that information. I was using SM with Puppy 4.1.2, but since upgrading to the latest version I have not had the problem. I'm inclined to think it was more of a Puppy problem than SM.
Thanks again for your feedback!

I'm running Puppy 4.2 Retro from Live-CD, and Seamonkey is also shutting down on me without warning. And without any [INSERT] key input (I removed that key].

This happens when I'm online doing nothing more than entering text, as I am now, without any other windows open, so it can't be that RAM or CPU are overtaxed. However, the event is quite sporadic, so perhaps your 'problem solved" report is premature.

It would be interesting to try an upgrade of Seamonkey, but, as indicated by some previous posters, upgrading Puppy apps without a working .pet package is non-trivial (and a major incentive for dumping Puppy Linux altogether). Waiting/searching for a working PET is a constant PIA, and a major security issue.

SM quits on it's own.
 

Hi Spongedaddy,

Sorry to hear you are still having the same problem, I don't know what it could be, all I can tell you is my issue went away (so far) since unpgrading to 4.2.

I have 4.00 running as a full HD install on my ancient Dell OptiPlex and have never had the problem. I'm using the 4.00 live CD on the laptop.

Could it be a live CD issue? Just wondering...

And it's not really a biggie since it has only happened once for me. I may upgrade one of these days. :)

Cheers!

The long and short of this is compatibility, assuming you didn't break anything. Different (older and current) versions of Puppy do not always mesh well with versions of Seamonkey. Like noted earlier, try uprgading your Seamonkey. If the problems arise, persist or worsen, downgrade the Seamonkey. If that fails upgrade the Puppy itself, keeping in mind that there is no "easy" way to simply downgrade your Puppy! Once Puppy is upgraded try the whole Seamonkey update fiasco again.
Flash could also be the culprit. I know this is a shot in the dark, but when you experienced a crash... do you remember how many instances, if any, there were of flash? A simple flash overload will cause any browser to crash and burn. What version Flash id running? Personally, once I upgraded to Flash 10 my browsers began crashing. Ive since downgraded back to Flash 9 and the browsers are back to stable.
As for installing the Seamonkey upgrade in Puppy, download the archive from the official site, unpack it, and click the installer. Almost too easy, it's sort of uncomfortable. By default SM wants to install to usr/bin (or somewhere like that) but you need it to go to the current SM directory (should be /usr/lib/seamonkey-xXx) to overwrite the current install (so you dont have two monkeys!). Honestly, I would recommend getting a .pet package of any program for beginners (or for slackers) and install it through the Pet package manager. This way helps resolve the dependencies. Although in this situation Seamonkey comes complete and is safe to install manually.

Have had the problem in three successive versions of Puppy, and have never tinkered with Seamonkey, have only used the version that came bundled.


As mentioned earlier - I don't know how to upgrade Seamonkey without a .pet.


Have never upgraded Flash, and don't have a clue as to how many instances were running when Seamonkey crashes. But it's crashed after having opened only one window on a single site since booting.


Yeah, sounds much too easy!

Sure. So all I have to do is wait for someone to make and post a .pet for the current version of Seamonkey, install it, and then see if it solves the unwanted shutdowns. Great! Thanks a lot. Pretty much what I was thinking myself.

I'm sure all of us "slackers" appreciate your help.

I dont want to be rude BUT YOU DONT NEED A PET. In seamonkeys case all you have to do is the same procedure you would do in a windows install. UNZIP the archive into root, inside your extracted folder will be an installer, click on it and an automated "windows style" installation will follow. Puppy comes loaded with Seamonkeys dependencies, so the upgrade doesnt have deps. If it then still crashes and you want to know why, run it from the terminal and read what it says. When you got it working, "dir2pet" and make your own package....newb.

Your statement above leaves me wondering why anyone went to the trouble of creating pets for installing Seamonkey 1.1.8, 1.1.11, and 1.1.14...


According to the installation instructions on the Seamonkey site, there's at least one major problem with your suggestion. Any existing installation of Seamonkey must be uninstalled before the new one is installed. However, there is, according to everything I've found on the subject, no way of uninstalling any program that comes bundled with Puppy.

So I hope you won't consider ME rude, if I decline to follow your instructions. Web browsing is my main activity with Puppy, and I don't care to mess up my only browser any further on the remote chance that whatever is causing Seamonkey to shut down unexpectedly has been successfully addressed in the latest version.