Gentoo alternative?
 

I'm looking for an alternative for gentoo. After beeing an active member on forums.gentoo.org for eleven years I got banned for some reason. I'll wont discuss that. I assume I broke the rule, moderation is never a topic of discussion.

Because of that I have no way to respond or report issues except bugs. gentoo.org which is also kinda dead. My open bugs for certain games, desctop parts, are kept open for years. Basically bugs are not worked on, regardless If I reported them or others. I need a better distro, with less bugs, more tested packages. Kde related issues, are resolved, by marking resolved and commenting by report upstream. Basically bugs are not worked on, as tehy used to be several years ago as I joined. There is a reason why there is now calculate linux, funtoo, sabayon and others ...

I'm looking for a new distro which uses custom kernel, openrc, eudev, initramfs, luks, lvm and which provides the i3 desctop environment. I need a custom initramfs so i can encrypt the rootfs during bootup, the distro should support at least luks / lvm2 / custom kernel + initramfs / custom grub. the distro should not as linux mint, overwrite grub.cfg without asking the user during the linux mint update procedure. Or make the box unuseable because ARCH linux ruined the x server as it did a few years ago with my dual boot arch linux / gentoo linux.

I'm not interested in linux mint, arch linux, open suse, redflag linux, pclinuxos, debian, redhat, gentoo ofc as I have already dealt with them.

I want to prefer a source based distro, not a binary distro, not a rolling release like linux mint. I managed to upgrade destroy several linux mint installations, because the upgrade path is to reinstall. I prefer a distro which can be updated, can be kept for at least 11 years. MY gentoo installation is over eleven years old by now.

Arch linux may be a choice, but I think they went the SYSTEMD route, which is not to my liking. I saw many kde / gnome and SYSTEMD related bugs. I want to stay away of all three if possible.

I also do not want linux mint, linux mint overwrote and destroyed hole boot section without a dialog to ask the user. The update grub scripts are dangerous for your data. I prefer dealing with grub 2.0 by hand

Maybe it's time to look into freebsd or others
Does anyone know if freebsd support, luks, lvm, i3wm, nvidia-drivers, libreoffice, k3b, google-chrome, firefox, gimp, grub?

I want to ask the audience for any suggestion, so I can look into these distros.

Any suggestion is welcome. After eleven years it's time to ditch gentoo, its too much bug ridden, outdated packages and such. => e.g. slotted lua. Moderators won't listen, they just ban your account, regardless if you wrote 5000, maybe useful posts over elven years on bugs.gentoo.org

edit: The linux mint notebook of someone close to me, can be barely updated, It's a bit outdated, but causes a lot of fuss, so linux mint is also not a choice, because older packages are not available, the package manager can not deal with that. In my point of view, it seems the repository demands packages which can not be downloaded, or does not sync the proper status / proper current version. For a binary distro I expect to be able to replace those components, regardless if I did not touched the distro for 8 months for example

edit: I prefer the shell or at least i3wm. I do not want any gnome / kde / lxdm / qt related desctop envirionment. I do not see any benefit on moving the mouse around to start apps by clicking icons like outdated windows 3.11, using windows vista like, windows 95 like start menu. No thanks to such desctop environments. Barely acceptable is sysrescue-cd X server, but thats also a bit bloated in my point of view. I also want to avoid nouveau related distros, they are problematic. Opensuse was unable to provide the service called networking. for a binary distro i expect the X server to be working, direct rendering to be working, a working ethernet and wireless lan out of the box.

Slackware or LFS/BLFS. I think there is the odd derivative (Salix?) LFS is a DIY distro.

Is Slackware SYSTEMD Free?

I used Slackware 96 in the past, one of my first distros

Is the Pope Catholic?

jlinkels

quote: https://linux.slashdot.org/story/16/...l-systemd-free

http://www.slackware.com/ => Slackware 14.2 is released!

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I have no idea on your reference to religion. But slight warning that you can get issues with the law in my area because of not necessary comments about religion! That's one topic which should not be discussed.

I prefer if you just had given me these two links above, ty.

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edit: http://without-systemd.org/wiki/inde..._distributions

Freebsd or any of these Distros in that link to narrow it down.

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I'll try https://artixlinux.org/index.php as a first cornerstone. Looks very promising and without the SYSTEMD thing.

In Bavaria (Bayern)? I think you are kidding me. I know some words should not be spoken there, but Pope and Catholic are definitely not among them.
Besides, it was not a religious discussion but a very obvious statement. The same obviousness about Slack being systemd free.
After all, if you had typed the same question in Google you would have the same answer without the need to ask here. Not that I make any objection that you asked, but I should be permitted to answer with such a statement.

In the end I just hope you try Slack and you like it.

jlinkels

When I first saw this thread, I was tempted to recommend Arch, as it is probably second to Gentoo for hands-on. As I understand that Arch has moved to SystemD, I would second the recommendation of Slackware. You might also look at the BSDs. FreeBSD is a nice piece of work and the FreeBSD Handbook is a marvelous bit of documentation.

I would not recommend LFS in this context. I think LFS is a great learning tool, but I consider it more a learning exercise (fundamentally LFS is a book) than a distro. It is not something you can install in half an hour and use after a reboot.

https://www.jusline.at/gesetz/stgb/paragraf/188

Quote:
Wer öffentlich eine Person oder eine Sache, die den Gegenstand der Verehrung einer im Inland bestehenden Kirche oder Religionsgesellschaft bildet, oder eine Glaubenslehre, einen gesetzlich zulässigen Brauch oder eine gesetzlich zulässige Einrichtung einer solchen Kirche oder Religionsgesellschaft unter Umständen herabwürdigt oder verspottet, unter denen sein Verhalten geeignet ist, berechtigtes Ärgernis zu erregen, ist mit Freiheitsstrafe bis zu sechs Monaten oder mit Geldstrafe bis zu 360 Tagessätzen zu bestrafen.

BTW austro bavaria are people with certain dialect. That'S definitely off topic and I will not discuss that here.

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All cool guys, thanks for the help

I'll try these two alternatives over the next few weeks. It depends if they offer i3wm, glx and some software which i use on a daily basis

Atrix => openrc + arch linux. Arch is like gentoo, it needs a lot of knowledge of how things are working together
freebsd => nvidia-drivers + openbsd ... seems also a decent choice. Needs more of a reading approach

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gentoo does not really stick to the FHS, kinda annoying. the config files i saw for freebsd, are just the stuff I am used to over many years.

I am not very convinced of SYSTEMD. it's just an init. there are many ways to boot a box, even static init. an init should not influence compoents like a desctop environment or should depend on it. in my point of view systemd, newer as gnome 2.0, newer as kde3 is like cancer.

gentoo is also not able to fix certain ebuilds for over 2 weeks

example sdl2-mixer

1511468171: >>> emerge (11 of 14) media-libs/sdl2-mixer-2.0.2 to /
1511468171: === (11 of 14) Cleaning (media-libs/sdl2-mixer-2.0.2::/usr/portage/media-libs/sdl2-mixer/sdl2-mixer-2.0.2.ebuild)
1511468172: === (11 of 14) Compiling/Merging (media-libs/sdl2-mixer-2.0.2::/usr/portage/media-libs/sdl2-mixer/sdl2-mixer-2.0.2.ebuild)
1511468202: >>> emerge (1 of 3) www-client/opera-beta-50.0.2762.14 to /
1511468202: === (1 of 3) Cleaning (www-client/opera-beta-50.0.2762.14::/usr/portage/www-client/opera-beta/opera-beta-50.0.2762.14.ebuild)

I'd recommend Crux. It's source-based, systemd-free, with a bsd-style init that boots very fast. Like Arch, it follows the KISS principle. But unlike Arch, it goes for stable software, not bleeding edge. The official desktops are openbox and fluxbox, but there are community repos for all the big DEs.

I guess you refer to süd-bayerisch or oberösterreichisch. My mom came from Rottenbach in Bezirk Grieskirchen. I know the language.

jlinkels

Pentoo, Slackware, Arch Linux or Funtoo?

I have read recently the Funtoo Docs.
I dislike the kernel section and some tools are new to me.

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Slackware scares me off because the software looks to myself like 2 years old. I am not that sure if the software is kept up secure in regards of all those issues found and fixed.

Looks like duct tape distro from the outside. I prefer a distro where the most stuff is kept up to date by themself.

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i did my backup recently.

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Freebsd looks like the most uncommon land. I should look into that.

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I hope I have not offended someone. I should install and use it for a month than judge
One after another

Whatever. There Slackware updates, and Alien Bob's stuff which keeps up. Slackware-current is the 'unstable' of Slackware, if you like bleeding edge.

I would second the recommendation for CRUX.

Me too.

The -current Slackware branch is a rolling release. See for yourself:

http://www.slackware.com/changelog/c...php?cpu=x86_64