Locking up on Reboot
 

Running LMDE Elisa. When rebooting or installing new updates and reboot, 60% of the time when the LM icon comes up the system locks requiring to reboot. This has been going on for a year and with the latest update last evening after three reboots before I had access to my system I wanted to pose this question to the community for help.

Has anyone else had this issue? How do I go about solving this persistent issue?

Thanks

So hitting 'esc' key while locked up doesn't show you anything? One of my machines stalls once in awhile when unmounting a nfs mount point on exit (hitting esc shows you the exit messages instead of splash screen), but it eventually times out and reboots... unless I get impatient and hit the reset button.

Unfortunatly reboot on many computers doesn't fully act like a full power down. Some circuits may still have gates set or power applied.

Test maybe. Full power down. Remove ac. Press power button a few times then test if powers up.

When there is another lockup I will try the two suggestions offered by jefro and rclark.

Could be the drive. My computer stopped rebooting months ago. Cold start, no problem, but a reboot always got stuck, either while loading elilo or loading the kernel. Then I discovered, quite by accident, that the drive was about to fail.

With the help of the community, I installed a new SSD and now the machine reboots without problems.

Have you actually done ANY troubleshooting??? Looked at any of the log files on the system?? Could be one of a thousand things, but you've (again) provided no details. Hard to imagine that you've been dealing with this for a YEAR and not done anything to look deeper into it. Done anything on a basic level, like perhaps booting from USB and running an fsck on your drives?? Looking at smartctl to see if you're having drive issues??? Checked the memory??? ANYTHING???

I didn't either, to be honest, when the same thing happened to me. I just thought, "Oh well, it's an old computer, perhaps it just can't reboot any more". Admittedly I wasn't running a distro that required a reboot after updating (actually I thought only Windows did that).

The way I found out that my drive was on the verge of failing was a complete accident. I was trying to install AntiX-23 and it ran smartctl as part of the installation procedure and gave me a dire warning. I screamed for help and the LQ community took over, told me what further tests to run to be sure of the matter, and guided me in buying and installing a new drive. And no one bit my head off!!

There is a difference between someone who is new, and someone with years of experience. The OP has experience, and has been asked NUMEROUS times to actually provide details and do at least some troubleshooting, but they don't. Feel free to check the OP's posting history.

Saying something like, "I've tried to check the logs, but don't see anything", or at the very least what hardware they're running. But we get nothing past their desktop environment an version of Debian, and are somehow supposed to guess??? What did you post when you had a problem; actual details, or just something vague??

No, thanks..at some point, posters have to provide details and information without folks having to repeatedly ask.

https://www.linuxquestions.org/quest...ve-4175730018/

That thread contains nothing about the earlier reboot failures because I had no idea before reading this thread that the two things could be connected. Now I think they probably were. Maybe the OP should run the specific smartmon tests that I was told to run and post the results.

And that thread contains at least some details about your system, the fact you noticed disk diagnostics (smartctl), that you have backups, haven't seen any boot-up errors/problems, and at least have SOMETHING to work with. Far different than, "It's been acting flaky for a year, and I just keep rebooting until it works".

If there is no response from ESC during the lock up, then try magic sys rq key combinations:

https://www.kernel.org/doc/html/late...agic-sysrq-key

If there's no response even from those, you most likely have a hardware issue.

boot to command line and maybe see if X or something more to go on problem wise.

TBOne I have had you on the ignore list but this time I must tell you how arrogant, judgmental, and an irritation you inflict upon the Linux community. You criticize EVERYONE and assume someone is knowledgeable based on their posts. You offer NO kind support and frankly are hateful. Maybe in your mind you feel you are being helpful ,,,,well maybe its your narcissistic tendencies.

I have no education with computers and the science. Linux I love but do not have the knowledge you presume I have. But to see you come back at a "little old lady" who does her best to provide support with kindness is very repulsive. You are an old fart as the saying goes.

Myself I have decided to go back to Windows to escape the criticism of persons like yourself TBOne. It is insulting and an irritation to this fine Linux Community. Who put YOU in charge????

Hazel, thanks so much for your help in the past and I do wish there were more persons like you. Bless you Hazel.

Excellent, glad you're going to use something else if providing basic details is too much for you to do, to try to get help from a group of volunteers. "Kind support" is offered (and was), but that fell off after having repeatedly had to try to pry information out of you. No one was asking you to be a programmer, have 'education with computers and science', etc., but just something BASIC. Yet you don't and haven't...maybe you think you are, but if you want to criticize someone for getting fed up with behavior like yours, then you just aren't paying attention.

If you think that using Windows is going to magically make people on Microsoft forums mind-readers (as you seemingly expect US to be), it won't. They, too, are going to ask you questions and will also get fed up after years of having to ask over and over. This thread is an excellent example...myself and several others asked things, and you don't bother answering, but seem to have time to post an insulting rant.

And hazel needs help from NO ONE, and I certainly didn't insult or criticize her or "come back at" anyone, but pointed out your seeming unwillingness to ever provide any sort of details when having your hand out for help.

In fact I very often need help and I have had some from you in the past, as well as from many others here. And I certainly didn't read your comments in #10 as in any way derogatory. But I do think that you are often too harsh in your judgements on certain other people.

@poncedeleon: please read the earlier thread which I referenced in #9 and carry out the smartmonctl commands that I was told to run. Compare the results with those that I posted. If they are at all similar, especially in the two variables that other posters draw attention to, then do as I did and get a new drive. And don't go back to Windows!!! Do you really want a system that locks up for a half-hour compulsory update every other time you boot it?

Hello Hazel
As much as I study Linux and the six dozen or so books I purchased including yours I have a very difficult time with the concepts. I have a Medical Technologist degree and someone with that type of education one would think I could grasp the Linux concepts but such is not the case and it's very frustrating so I seek the help of the Linux Community. I abhor Windows and my persistent questions are not welcome here because I don't do the "homework". It's not because I am lazy. I just don't understand these matters. So my only choice is not ask questions.

While composing the last few posts it is in the back of my mind a certain person is going to come crashing down on me to provide the details, etc. He has a gift of words to belittle someone while disguising his ugliness. He just wants a neat and tidy forum I guess. It certainly is not to educate. It would be so much better if he would just overlook my replies and and as they say "if you don't like what is on the television, then turn the channel".

Well I am not going to go back to Windows and will continue to ask questions on this forum and try to do better in providing details and if it doesn't suit certain individuals then that is their issue not mine. I happen to like it here.

So then PROVIDE THE DETAILS...this is your second rant about how 'ugly' things are, yet you don't seem to find the time to answer any questions that any of us have asked. And you've been here for YEARS now...how long does it take before it sinks in that you have to show some effort of your own and provide details??? This is *NOT A HELP DESK*...we are all volunteers, and YOU, PERSONALLY, need to do your part in helping solve YOUR problem.

Your question is like calling a mechanic and saying "My vehicle doesn't run, what could it be?". What, exactly, do you think is going to be their response?? They're going to ask simple questions like "What kind of vehicle? Gas or diesel? Do the lights come on? Is there fuel?" That's not being 'ugly', mean, etc....that's basics you should provide. Whining about getting asked things does nothing to let others help you.

Why is is so hard to say, "I've got model XXX computer, and it's having problems booting. I've checked the log at /some/log/file but don't see anything I think is an error; heres the last few lines. Any ideas on what to check for?" rather than having us have to pry things out of you??? Again, you've been here for years...looking in a log file should be something you know how to do, since you've been *TOLD TO MANY TIMES BEFORE*. The list of reasons why something won't boot is huge and without any information at all, none of us can even guess.

You've asked the same questions several times in a row, indicating you don't listen to the answers or even care. Why should any of us here continue to try to help you when you display this lack of effort and won't answer questions, and then want to whine about how 'mean' people are??? You claim not to be lazy...so why can't you apply anything you've been told/asked in the past and think to yourself "Gee, everyone keeps asking me these questions....perhaps I should post these things WITH my question?"

Go watch a four part Movie. You are disturbed.

From what I can see, you never responded to the suggestions to press ESC during the "hang."

Quiet often systemd will be waiting for some event during shutdown and it will appear to hang if the splash screen is displayed. Press ESC, and if it is not truly hung, you may be greeted with some status messages that may give a clue.

Says the person who continues to rant and attack folks, but still doesn't even answer.

Goumba, he doesn't seem to do much of anything asked, including answering simple questions. Good luck

Please follow the rules.

If you continue to read the thread I did respond. To reiterate I stated when it locks up AGAIN I will try hitting the <ESCAPE> key. Thank you for your feedback.

You are taking this personal so please refrain from your attacks on me and causing dissension. It is not good for the good of the Linux Community especially from an authority as yourself. Don't respond if it bothers you this much. Put me on your ignore list and enjoy helping others. Good Luck. Bye.

Thank you

Yes, and that post was nearly a week ago, with no update.

Reread #4 Goumba.

There has not been an update in over a week, as you say, since the computer has not locked up since then.

Your move.

Maybe it's this thread that ought to be locked up. It doesn't look as if it was going anywhere.

I do not want this thread locked. At some point my computer will lock up again and with the suggestions received will provide the information.

The only one in this thread causing 'dissention' is you, and michaelk's note about attacks was directed to YOU not me. If you feel 'attacked' by someone asking you questions, there isn't much anyone can do for you. Again, multiple people have said these things to you in past years, when you (again) don't provide details or follow up. I recommend you check your previous threads where this has occurred, since you obviously don't remember.
Or you could actually DO SOMETHING, as things were suggested previously; see post #6:

• Boot from USB and run fsck on your hard drive
• Run smartctl to see if you're having hard drive errors
• Run memtest to see if there's a problem there
• Look at the logs to see if there are any errors

Yet you've done nothing...and have had this problem for a year. You could be getting errors in your system logs and they don't manifest as a 'problem' until you try to reboot. AGAIN, since you've given us no information at all, I have no idea why you think we'll be able to tell you anything. You seem to want to play the "poor me I don't know anything" card, yet have been here for years and by your own admission have 'six dozen' Linux books, aside from your studying?? But are totally lost, even when you've been given commands???

Could be anything from a loose cable, power supply going bad, drive failing, memory going bad, or a thousand other things. Since you don't seem to want to actually participate in the forums by supplying information (which helps others with similar problems) and want us to guess, why don't you take your computer to a local shop and have them deal with it?? Everyone would be happier.

And yet there are a ton of unrelated posts. The point of *my* post was to get back on topic so you may get help, because any related post was buried at that point.

I have to agree with TB0ne.

I came by and posted trying to help, and you turned your attitude on me as well, with no good reason. "Your move," quite frankly makes it look like you're an expecting an attack, because that's seemingly *your* intent.

Sounds like a good idea.

On a final topic related note, in case this gets locked, fedora tends to appear to hang after some updates. Likely kernel and kernel tool updates. Dismissing the splash screen - for which I fault Mint with it's static splash screen last I checked which makes it hard to judge - shows a line similar to

Which means shutdown was successful and there is nothing to worry about it. It just did not execute the necessary code to reboot, for whatever reason.

Take a chill pill and Get a grip on yourself TBOne. It's a hobby.

Sorry, but grow up. You asked for help, yet won't answer simple questions, run commands you got spoon-fed and continue your attacks for no apparent reason other than someone challenged you to stop your poor behavior.

Either do something, open any of the 'six dozen' Linux books, or take it to someone that DOES put effort in. I agree with hazel and Goumba...this thread should be locked since you won't participate in helping to get *YOUR PROBLEM* fixed, when you asked the community for help. And we're not going to wait around for however-long it takes for you to reboot. Reported.

Thank You TBOne! See you can be very civil when you desire. Reported.

OMG! They've both reported it.

Apparently; I reported things because of LQ Rule violations regarding personal attacks/name calling, and to suggest closure of this thread since the OP isn't doing anything to help get their problem solved. Agree with you and goumba...no point in having this open any longer.

I stated in an earlier post when the lockup happens again I will try the considerations everyone has suggested to me in this thread. The computer HAS NOT LOCKED UP since I started this topic. It will lockup at some point but until then one cannot fix something which is not broken.

This topic should not be deleted.

Have a nice pleasant day!

And as stated earlier, there are things you can look at RIGHT NOW, along with taking the steps of powering off/rebooting it manually to try to reproduce the error. Unsure as to why those simple things can't be done.

TBOne you continually incite with responses like this. I do not want you to reply to any of my topics. You have been asked a year ago but you continually harass. It's your very bad behavior. REPORTED.

Feel free to report; when you post on a public forum, any member can reply whether you feel like it or not. If you feel it's "inciting" something to suggest you run commands to try to diagnose the issue you reported, not really sure where to go with that. Again, you are refusing to participate in the thread that YOU OPENED for YOUR PROBLEM, yet somehow want to keep this open and will expect people to help you in the future with other issues, despite behavior like this.

TBOne you spend all your day, time, replying to me over this silly issue. Nursery School is over for the day TBOne. Go play with someone else. By the way ,,,do you live in your mommies basement?

They're called thread notifications. The only one in this thread that's been childish, 'inciting', and rude has been you. Either do something or there isn't much point in posting anything, anywhere.

Now everyone can see TBOne.

Closing thread as requested by the OP.